Accrued Interest likes the whole 4.5 % Mortgage deal:
"Calculated Risk is one of the best financial blogs going. Accrued Interest should only hope to get 1/10th of their hits. And the blogging world will
certainly miss Tanta. She and I had several e-mail conversations over the years and I learned a lot of very useful info about real-life mortgage servicing from her.
However, I really think CR is
lawyering in
this post from 12/3. In it, CR claims that lower mortgage rates will not improve home prices, only improve home demand. The crux of the argument is...
But the current buyer wouldn't pay much more, because the rational buyer would realize interest rates will probably not be artificially low when they try to sell, and their future buyer would have a higher interest rate and a lower price."
Forget anyone called the "Rational Buyer".
Here's the entire comment:
"But why would this push up prices as suggested by the Global Insight analysis? Prices would increase because of higher demand - not directly because of lower interest rates. A
rational buyer wouldn't pay more just because the interest rate is lower - although they might have to pay more because the demand is greater. But the current buyer wouldn't pay much more, because the
rational buyer would realize interest rates will probably not be artificially low when they try to sell, and their future buyer would have a higher interest rate and a lower price."
I sort of agree, but it would depend upon what a buyer believes. A lower interest rate is very important. So let's push on for a bit.
"To me, this argument has a few holes. First, an increase in demand,
ceteris paribus, will always increase the price of a good. I suppose one could make some kind of non-linear demand curve argument, claiming that demand is higher at the current price point but does not support higher price points. CR doesn't say that, but it sounds like that's what is being advanced."
I agree with this. It will have some influence on housing prices.
"To follow his logic, however, is to say that buyers are indifferent to interest rates. If rates are high now, they are likely to fall in the future and vice versa. The data doesn't support this at all. Housing prices tend to rise when rates are low and lending standards are easy.
That's exactly why we had the boom we just had!'
Yes. I've already agreed with this.
"Now maybe CR is saying that the 4.5% would be obviously artificial since its the product of Fed manipulation. Perhaps. But I will say that within the fixed income community, its is widely thought that mortgage rates are fundamentally
too high. With the 10-year Treasury at 2.55%, mortgage rates shouldn't be 6%. At least not for conforming (i.e., GSE) loans. Based on more typical ratios, the rate should be 4.5-5%. If they Fed were to manipulate the loan rate back to its long-term norms, why would we expect the rate to rise precipitously in the future? Maybe because Treasury rates would rise if the economy returned to normal, but then we're back to claiming that buyers ignore rates, which they don't."
The 4.5 % is artificial. Period. It's just as you say about the "Fixed Income Community", only, I suppose, these are the government equivalent. I'm sure you're bright people, but not that bright. I'd rather not take anyone's word on this, even yours, which I respect.
"Put another way, when the Fed pushed short-term rates to 1% in 2003, did buyers abstain from those low-low-low teaser rates loans? Did they rationally assume rates would soon rise in the future? You and I both know the answer."
Interest rates matter. I'll tell you how perverse I am. I'm going to miss the phrase "Teaser Rates". Perhaps we can apply it to me now. I'm quite a teaser. Almost non-stop, in fact.
"Another way to think about it is if a home buyer plans on living in the home for an extended period, why not take advantage of the combination of low fixed rate mortgages and low prices currently available? Even if you assume rates may be higher in the future, wouldn't we also assume that over an extended period, say 5-7 years, housing would also recover?"
It makes sense. Move on.
"Now remember that new housing construction is well below normal household creation. So ignoring foreclosures, net supply of housing is negative. Thus, even if 4.5% mortgages can't stimulate enough demand to cause home prices to rise, could it create enough demand to soak up foreclosures? If so, that would certainly be a major step in the right direction, no?"
Yes. Agreed. It will do some good. Move on.
"The $10 trillion question is whether the Fed can succeed in pushing mortgage rates much lower. The Fed has plenty of money to do it. Remember that although the entire mortgage market is very large, the Fed only needs to manipulate new loans to change the clearing rate. Comparing the Fed's balance sheet to the entire mortgage market is the wrong comparison. Its like saying they can't manipulate Fed Funds by measuring the entire intra-bank lending market.
All they need to do is announce a target and pledge their full resources toward that target. Mortgage rates will drop down to 4.5% very quickly."
I don't like this target.
"Perhaps CR is thinking in terms of 4.5% mortgages "
working" in that it "solves" the housing crisis. As I wrote
here, there are no magic solutions that will immediately reverse the home price decline or avoid a deep recession. But there are appropriate measures which can help either diminish the downturn or shorten its length. This is one of them."
That's the argument for this, other than people wanting to see some government help going to stabilizing the housing market, and not just banks.
I can take the Fed Fannie/Freddie bit, but no more. Even then, I have a big problem:
Wouldn't it be better to let housing prices drop another 5 % or so and use that to spur demand rather than interest rates? I believe so. Of course, we'd need, all things being equal, for mortgage rates to stay the same or even slightly decline.
Also, I don't see that there are going to be that many people buying these homes now, given the lending conditions. That's why I don't credit that this will result in more shoddy lending. It might, but, right now, it's hard to see it occurring.
My main difference, however, with these proposals is that I don't know, or think that anyone really knows, where this housing bottom might be. Therefore, if the bottom is a lot further down, this might be a terrible mistake that will necessitate another drop in the near future. On the other hand, if we're closer to a bottom, then this could be a good deal for helping thaw a bit some of the more stringent lending requirements, that might be effecting even people who can afford buying a house.
In sum, I'd wait, and see where the market goes for a few months. If you want to fiddle, then leave it at the Fed Fannie/Freddie infusion, with no goals or targets. Let's see where this move takes us. The final option, adding the Treasury in and fixing a goal, I don't like, simply because I want the market to determine this and not experts, at least on this point.
I'm going to give Accrued Interest the final word with a few comments:
Oregon:
Lower mortgage rates would only result in a normal counter-cyclical impact. Not a return to above-trend price returns.
So I don't understand your moral hazard argument, when what you are talking about is punishing people who made good housing decisions. The 4.5% mortgages will only go to people who can put up down payments and afford the fixed payment.
By doing nothing, you are risking a downward spiral in home prices that hurts everyone. Where is the moral hazard?
Jesse:
I said prices would likely be higher, at least nominally, in 5-7 years. Inflation benefits borrowers, don't forget. You are better off in real assets given inflation!