This is getting hilarious. Check this out, from the FT:
"European carmakers could get up to €40bn ($52bn, £31bn) in “soft loans” from the European Investment Bank to the industry to help develop more fuel-efficient technologies, a top EU official said on Wednesday.
Günter Verheugen, industry commissioner, said that loan subsidies could be provided through the EIB in an effort to develop greener cars and meet EU environmental targets, although he pointed out that it was ultimately a matter for the bloc’s member states and the EIB to decide."
Car makers asking for cushy government loans because of problems complying with environmental standards. Did we export this too?
"The €40bn low-interest loan package is one of a number of measures being pushed for by European carmakers, who claim to be facing a particularly challenging environment in the wake of the credit crunch and economic downturn."
Hey, did you know that's happening in the U.S. as well?
"Several environmental groups blasted the automakers on Wednesday, accusing them of seeking subsidies to comply with measures they have repeatedly resisted. “It simply beggars belief that the car lobbyists now come cap in hand to the European Union asking for handouts to develop the fuel efficient cars they should have built long ago,” said Jos Dings, directors of Transport & Environment, a pressure group.
But industry officials argue that they have already been making substantial investments to improve their fleets, and will need assistance to continue them at a time when their market is collapsing."
What do you know? Where have I heard this before?
Today, I did a Diary on the proposed auto bailout on the Daily Kos. It didn't go well. The responses I got illustrated to me differences between liberal Democrats and libertarian Democrats.
Here are some of the arguments I got in favor of the bailout:
1) It was passed by congress. Of course, the Paulson Plan is before Congress as well. Also, I questioned whether it was passed in the light of day or slipped into larger legislation.
2) It's a loan, not a bailout. Of course, the AIG bailout is also a loan. And, according to William Gross, the Paulson plan is an excellent investment. I tell you what, I respect William Gross of Pimco more than auto executives about the financial viablity of their plans. Also, given that they've been losing money for years, one wonders why they would be smart enough to start making money now.
3) It will employ people. You've heard of too large to fail. Now we have too many jobs to lose. Of course, there's no guarantee these auto makers will deal fairly with their employees.
4) It's hard to get credit now. Of course, then maybe you should favor the Paulson Plan, and deal with the credit crisis first.
5) It will help the environment. This is rich. The auto makers have made a point of not preparing for more energy efficient cars, and they are now being rewarded by, in essence, blackmailing the taxpayers by saying we're not ready.
This is a bailout, pure and simple, for businesses that have thumbed their noses at energy efficiency, government, their employees, all the while being unable to turn a profit.
If liberals are for that, count me out
“Second, and perhaps more important, “savings” represent loanable funds; an increase in the supply of loanable funds tends to lower interest rates and stimulate borrowing, so a decline in consumable goods with a short time horizon is offset by an increase in production in sectors with longer time horizons. For example, the demand for personal electronics might decline, but the demand for such things as real estate would be stimulated by favorable borrowing conditions.”
I was going to write this, but Wikipedia says it better than I would have. During a recession, one can pass laws to increase long term investment and infrastructure spending, using tax breaks or government investment.
As well, use loans and spending to help people start businesses. I actually started a business during a recession as I recall. I got a great deal on my rent at the time.
By giving benefits to people who aren’t able to spend, with targeted tax cuts and investment, saving can be a good thing at all times. Of course, as a follower of Maimonides, moderation in most things is the wise course.
The Paradox of Thrift seems more a problem of group versus individual behavior, which can be overcome with countervailing incentives for individuals.