Yves Smith asks the question that maddens many of us who were for nationalizing the banks and taking over other financial supplicants. What exactly is the fear? I can think of two responses that people who object to nationalization have:
1) It won't work, but it will hang around and end up causing a ratcheting up of government intervention in the economy in general
2) It will work, thereby leading people to favor more and more government intervention
I don't accept either.
Here's Yves Smith:
"One of the most pervasive findings in social science, although it is seldom codified this way, is how suggestible people are. Numerous studies in behavioral economics have found that the same underlying bet elicits very different take-up rates when framed as a wager versus as insurance. Even worse, humans are susceptible to obviously exogenous influence.
One oft-repeated test that yields consistent results is to ask a group in a classroom setting to (among other things) to write their best estimate of the number of countries in the world. To show how to fill out the form, the leader spins a wheel of fortune, and takes the chosen number, (say 550) and uses it to illustrate how to record the estimate. Invariably, high results on the wheel of fortune, clearly an arbitrary figure, lead to markedly higher average estimates on the form.
The question du jour is why does the US have such a phobia regarding nationalization. Per the lead-in, I suspect it has a great deal more to do with social conditioning than a case-by-case assessment of possible gains and losses."
The evidence is rather strong that this Hybrid Approach is costly, inefficient, impossible to assess, subject to the influence of lobbying, cronyism, etc. One just need read the GAO report on TARP.
"While the initial (correct) reflex is that undue government interference in a well-functioning private sector is not a good idea, the industries in question (financial services and automobiles) have top players that are now abject failures on taxpayer life support. These companies have been exempted from market discipline (aka bankruptcy) thanks to state intervention."
They are essentially government guaranteed entities, and people are disingenuous who say that they didn't know that.
"The very fact that they operated with minimal government oversight, drove themselves to the verge of bankruptcy, and managed to make themselves so essential that they cannot be permitted to collapse says they cannot be left in their former hands (incumbent management is either colossal incompetent, amazingly corrupt and scheming, or both)."
Yes, that's all true. Plus, you really need personal responsibility to fall on these actors for Moral Hazard to work as intended.
"But unlike the UK, and Sweden during its early 1990s crisis (widely touted as best practice) which were both ready to assume control of banks that wrecked themselves, the US continues to rationalize, nay, promote, the worst of all possible worlds: socialization of losses, the bozo management teams still largely (often entirely, as in the case of Citigroup) intact, inadequate to no supervision (where are the board seats?) and no upside participation, not even much explanation of what they intend to do with the dough (well, now great theater is being made of the auto industry, because it is easy to pick on guys from the grubby Midwest, but the banking crowd, which did far more damage and has gotten much bigger handouts and no unpleasant questions)."
That's the system people are actually defending, unless they're Kantians telling us how the world should be, were humans not in it, but some other similar beings free of our peculiarities that seem to cause us so much grief.
"I saw a simpleminded but compelling explanation for this phenomenon: Europeans consume more government services than Americans do, and are pretty happy with it (they think we are barbarians for having private health care and, among other things, little state support of the arts). Why? They are reported to be better at it than we are. They deliver government services efficiently (relatively speaking, and healthcare provides some proof) and because they do a good job, the citizenry is willing to deploy tax dollars to these ends."
I think that this view undervalues the power and influence and interconnectedness between business and government in this country, which talks a lot about government abuse while engineering a system whereby government favors and guarantees these established businesses.
"That is a long-winded way of saying that government inefficiency and incompetence is not a given, as is often depicted in the US. The demonization of government service has probably discouraged able people from seeking public sector jobs. Even so, some areas still get high marks (the FDIC). And the continued disparagement of government serves as cover for those who want subsidies and rescues but hope to avoid the demands that should properly go with them."
That's their plan, yes, and it's worked well so far for them.
"This New York Times article deals with the Obama team's reluctance †o be seen as "nationalizing". I see. So we would rather pander to the bankrupt ideology that helped create this mess, let the perps continue to get undeserved princely pay, and stick the hapless sop taxpayer with the guaranteed-to-be-rotten fruit of this exercise rather than demonstrate leadership and reframe the issues. The hesitation to demand even modest quid pro quos is beyond belief. No private sector negotiator would ever accept such a deal."
Yves, it pains me to read that you're this shocked.
"Is this "Change We Can Believe In?" Looks like the same old crap to me, with better salesmen in charge. "
Now, here I disagree. It's better salesman and a better breed of crap, as well.
"The golden rule is that he who provides the gold, makes the rules. Time to get over prostrating before the private sector when it has abjectly screwed up."
They would beg to differ.
"Key excerpts from the
New York Times:
When President-elect Barack Obama talked on Sunday about realigning the American automobile industry he was quick to offer a caution, lest he sound more like the incoming leader of France, or perhaps Japan.
“We don’t want government to run companies,” Mr. Obama told Tom Brokaw on “Meet the Press.” “Generally, government historically hasn’t done that very well.”
Yves here, Rubbish. Sweden did a great job with its bank takeovers. The Australian air control system is so good they have marketed the technology (and Australia also has a government applied science think tank which has provided considerable tangible support to industry). The US may not be good at overseeing private businesses, but that does not mean that government control and rationalization when industry has failed is always and ever a disaster. But if you have low expectations, you are pretty unlikely to exceed them."
Yves is correct. President Obama was merely mouthing a nostrum.
"Back to the Times:
But what Mr. Obama went on to describe was a long-term bailout that would be conditioned on federal oversight. It could mean that the government would mandate, or at least heavily influence, what kind of cars companies make, what mileage...It all sounds perilously close to a word that no one in Mr. Obama’s camp wants to be caught uttering: nationalization....
The fact that there is so little protest in the air now — certainly less than Mr. Truman heard — reflects the desperation of the moment. But it is a strategy fraught with risks.
The first, of course, is the one the president-elect himself highlighted. Government’s record as a corporate manager is miserable, which is why the world has been on a three-decade-long privatization kick, turning national railroads, national airlines and national defense industries into private companies.
I have not made a systematic study, but ample anecdotal reports suggest that Bush era efforts at privatization lead to much higher costs and no improvement in service delivery. So the simple-minded view that the private sector is ever and always more efficient bears some examining. "
What we had during the Bush Era was Cronyism. It was a rather foul breed of Government/Private Hybrid. Um, we still have it.
"Mind you, I am NOT saying that nationalization should be a first choice, merely that being squeemish where it is clearly the logical action is silly. The article similarly raises straw men: Who would have the insight to fix the industry? Please. This is a reflection of a lack of will. The toughest issues are political: how to share the pain among the executives, the dealers, the shareholders, the creditors, and the employees/unions. The US did build a hydrogen bomb by marshaling fractious, world class scientists, and once upon a time did send a man to the moon, This is not as difficult, but cleaning an Augean stable does not get a lot of plaudits, so the right resources are not likely to be deployed. "
I always mind you, Yves. The problem is that we have far too many people who can't understand the place of Paradox and Pragmatism in Government, and, indeed, of human life. Too many Kantians and Platonists with their little pet theories that they preen themselves with, mouthing words and equations that they can't quite explain but are damned sure that they should work.
I've written so much on why the Swedish Plan would have been preferable, especially for anyone who wanted government uninvolved in the financial sector sooner rather than later on planet earth.
As Robert Frost wrote:
They must be pierced by flowers and put
Beneath the feet of dancing flowers.
However it is in some other world
I know that this is the way in ours.
"We spoke with representatives of the eight large institutions that initially received funds under CPP, and they told us that their institutions intended to use the funds in a manner consistent with the goals of CPP. Generally, the institutions stated that CPP capital would not be viewed any differently from their other capital—that is, the additional capital would be used to strengthen their capital bases, make business investments and acquisitions, and lend to individuals and businesses. With the exception of two institutions, institution officials noted that money is fungible and that they did not intend to track or report CPP capital separately. We will continue to monitor the activities of these institutions as well as the plans of others in future reports as well as any oversight provided by Treasury and its agents or the regulators. The banking regulators indicated that they had not yet developed any additional supervisory steps, such as requiring more frequent provision of certain call report data for participating institutions, to monitor participating institutions’ activities.26 For example, it is unclear whether Treasury plans to leverage bank regulators, which in the case of the largest institutions have bank examiners on site, to conduct any oversight or monitoring related to CPP requirements. However, unless Treasury does additional monitoring and regular reporting, Treasury’s ability to help ensure an appropriate level of accountability and transparency will be limited."
CPP=Capital Purchase Program
How could you do anything other than an aggregate monitoring given that you don't know exactly what the money was used for?
Let's be real: The money has been given to the banks to use as they see fit. The government has no real control over it, and aggregate monitoring, presumably, will just tell you if someone is lagging in lending in certain areas, etc. But so what? There's no going back.
The only real question is how well these banks do for themselves. We sure don't want them losing a lot of money. That's why this program doesn't work. On the one hand,the bank's interests ( solvency and profits ) and the government's interests ( please loan now ) aren't necessarily the same. On the other hand, since we've loaned them a bunch of cash, we want them focusing on their bottom line so we don't lose money on the deal. There is no one set of agreed upon standards to judge the program on. Given that, the next report won't be much clearer, if at all.