Showing posts with label Country Debt Ratings. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Country Debt Ratings. Show all posts

Thursday, February 12, 2009

Moody's now admits two things: firstly that triple-A doesn't mean risk-free

From Felix Salmon:

"
The Moody's USA Downgrade

Can the yield on US Treasuries be considered the "risk free rate of return" if there are other securities which are lower-risk than US Treasuries?

Moody's now admits two things: firstly that triple-A doesn't mean risk-free (thanks, guys, I think we'd worked that out by now), and secondly -- more interestingly -- that the US is not the safest triple-A credit.

There are now three levels of triple-A, when it comes to sovereign bonds. The weakest -- which have been classed as "vulnerable" to a downgrade -- are Spain and Ireland. The strongest -- which have been classed as "resistant" to a downgrade -- are Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Singapore, and New Zealand. And in the middle -- stronger than the "vulnerable" countries but weaker than the "resistant" countries -- are the two "resilient" countries: the UK and the US.

Which means that Moody's now considers the USA to be a weaker credit than Finland or Singapore: a handy datapoint for anybody who thinks the US empire is crumbling.

(HT: Alea)"

Me:

know these are silly questions:
1) What specifically are they rating?
2) By what criteria?
3) For what purpose?
4) Who's paying the bill?

Apparently Moody's has broken up their AAA rating into three tiers and the United States is not in the top tier

From EconomPic Data:

"Moody's: The United States is Resilient... Not Resistant to Downturn

Felix at Portfolio.com asks the worrisome question:

Can the yield on US Treasuries be considered the "risk free rate of return" if there are other securities which are lower-risk than US Treasuries?
Apparently Moody's has broken up their AAA rating into three tiers and the United States is not in the top tier (though I am left wondering who trusts / listens to / respects / cares about Moody's these days). Reuters reports:
The "Resistant" category included Germany, France, Canada and the four Scandinavian countries, whose ratings have so far been untested. These countries have either entered the financial crisis from a very strong position or have economic models that remain robust, it said.

The "Resilient" group comprises the United States and the UK, whose ratings are being tested due to a shock to their growth model and large contingent liabilities. But it added: "These countries display an adequate reaction capacity to rise to the challenge."

The size of the U.S. and UK economies, financial markets and capital flows and relative debt levels to growth mean policymakers have more scope to loosen fiscal policy without endangering the public finances too much.

Ireland and Spain fell into the third, "Vulnerable" group, which refers to nations which are forced to take risks with their public finances.
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Anyone ready for a conspiracy theory? Drumroll please.... this announcement by Moody's comes on the same day as Dr. Greenspan's panning of rating agencies. The Big Picture quotes Dr. Greenspan as saying:
“What we have created in this world is an aura around the credit rating agencies about certification from them is the Good Housekeeping seal of approval, ” Mr. Greenspan said. “I will tell you the record of a lot of the forecasters of ratings have not been distinguished. They never were.”
Was this whole announcement just meant to deflect away Dr. Greenspan's criticism? I doubt it, but I bet more discussion centers around the Moody's rating decision than Dr. Greenspan's quote in the A.M.

Me:

Don said...

What was the criteria used? What exactly are they rating?

Don the libertarian Democrat