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Sunday, March 29, 2009

The whole point of having the government take over AIG was that it wouldn't need to enter into panicked unwinds

From Felix Salmon:

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Who's Gaining from the AIG Unwinds?

Tyler Durden has a scary post up, connecting banks' profitability in January and February to the fact that those were the months when AIG Financial Products was unwinding an enormous number of its contracts en masse. These trades, initiated by AIGFP, were allegedly enormously profitable for the biggest banks in the CDS market:

The size of these unwinds were enormous, the quotes I have heard were "we have never done as big or as profitable trades - ever"...
I can only guess/extrapolate what sort of PnL this put into the major global banks... I think for the big correlation players this could have easily been US$1-2bn per bank in this period."

If this is true, then (a) the banks still aren't anywhere near sustainable profitability, and (b) those AIG retention bonuses -- paid on the grounds that only the people who got AIG into this mess could get it out -- are even more egregiously untenable than we had suspected.

The whole point of having the government take over AIG was that it wouldn't need to enter into panicked unwinds. If it went ahead and did that anyway, the levels of competence and oversight at AIG are even lower than most of us had thought. Which is quite an achievement."

Me:

"The whole point of having the government take over AIG was that it wouldn't need to enter into panicked unwinds."

That's also the reasoning of helping Citi, which we own a lot of stock in.

So, AIG helps Citi, and we are where? Didn't we just shift some of our funds from one of our businesses to the other?
Somebody help me out here.

Monday, March 2, 2009

Reuters reports Bill Gross has been hired to advise the U.S. government on the $118 billion of assets guaranteed in the Bank of America bailout.

From Zero Hedge:

"Bill Gross En Route To Becoming 4th Branch of Government

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The most flagrant abuser of conflicts of interest in the current economy, PIMCO, has just gotten its tentacles even more entangled with the rotor of the government's economic shredder. Reuters reports Bill Gross has been hired to advise the U.S. government on the $118 billion of assets guaranteed in the Bank of America bailout. Pimco will be responsible for "evaluating Bank of America's holdings, including securities backed by residential and commercial loans, to help determine the company's losses."

The world's largest bond fund is opportunistically prepared for just these kinds of assignment, by recently raising a $3 billion distressed DISCRETIONARY fund for mortgage-backed security investing. This of course happened after PIMCO was selected for a comparable assignment, where it was picked to advise on $80 billion of credit union deposits. We fully expect Gross in his next monthly letter to announce the creation of a distressed fund investing/shorting Bank of America securities. But, of course, everything in Newport Beach is walled off from everything else. Last time we checked El-Erian was personally putting up chinese walls within the Sharkeez booths in Newport Beach. Sphere: Related Content"

Me:

Don said...

How did Gross miss the Flight To Safety in US Treasuries? I've assumed that he didn't think Lehman would be allowed to fail. Since then, he's been on a roll, betting on a full government guarantee. The conflict of interest is a possible time bomb if these investments fail and Pimco still makes a ton of money. Isn't this a bad brew?

Don the libertarian Democrat

March 2, 2009 12:02 PM

But we can’t imagine the new administration will want to precipitate an international crisis over whose-deposits-get-paid-off-first

From Zero Hedge:

"Why Citi Will Not Follow In Lehman's Footsteps

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Here is something for all those who say we are permadoom sayers... Fresh from gimme credit, and we tend to agree. A full blown implosion of Citi would be the Mutual Assured Destruction to everyone with exposure to Citi, which is... well... everyone, whether it is by 1 or 6 degrees of separation. Betting on Citi's demise is ironically just like buying US Sovereign CDS: you have a high likelihood of being right, but if you are, the money you make (assuming someone honors the contract you are collecting under) will be worth just the paper it is written on.

From GimmeCredit:
Citigroup’s 10-K filing makes it clear why regulators appear committed to (or perhaps are stuck with) a strategy of supporting the full capital structure (including holding company debt), rather than subjecting the bank to the Lehman treatment. Citigroup has a daunting $1.9 trillion of assets on the balance sheet alone (not counting off-balance sheet exposure). The balance sheet is essentially supported by an uneasy alliance between the U.S. government and the company’s depositors and other creditors, since the market value of the equity is so depressed. Deposits totaled $774 billion at year end, including nearly $500 billion outside the U.S. In a liquidation of a U.S. insured depositary institution, the 10-K notes that U.S. deposits would have priority over deposits outside the U.S., as well as over parent company claims. But we can’t imagine the new administration will want to precipitate an international crisis over whose-deposits-get-paid-off-first. There is $360 billion of long-term debt, including about $24 billion of TruPS-related junior subordinated debt and $34 billion of subordinated debt. At year-end, parent company liquidity, including unencumbered cash deposits at the broker-dealer, totaled $67 billion. But no cash hoard would be big enough right now, without the support of Uncle Sam. Investors are worried (with good reason) about the risk for more markdowns of loans, securities and the deferred tax asset ($44.5 billion). Moody’s lowered Citigroup’s senior and subordinated debt ratings last week, but left the short-term rating at P1 (under the assumption that “systemic support” is “most predictable” for short-term debt.) A downgrade in the C.P. rating would trigger an $11 billion funding requirement. As we discussed last week (see report dated 2/24/09), we see value in Citigroup’s senior debt (although the 5.5% notes due 2013 have tightened to T+604 from T+752 a week ago.
Sphere: Related Content"

Me:

Blogger Don said...

"But we can’t imagine the new administration will want to precipitate an international crisis over whose-deposits-get-paid-off-first."

So, what you're saying is that the implicit guarantees always included foreign investors. Is that right?

Don the libertarian Democrat

March 2, 2009 11:55 AM