Showing posts with label negative nominal interest rates. Show all posts
Showing posts with label negative nominal interest rates. Show all posts

Wednesday, May 27, 2009

Doesn’t that have the same effect as lower nominal interest rates? Not really

From Reuters:

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Felix Salmon

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May 27th, 2009

Fed funds datapoint of the day

Posted by: Felix Salmon
Tags: fiscal and monetary policy

The Taylor Rule ran smack into the zero bound back in October — and kept on falling. Now, according to the Fed’s Glenn Rudebusch, “in order to deliver a degree of future monetary stimulus that is consistent with its past behavior, the FOMC would have to reduce the funds rate to -5% by the end of this year”:

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Rudebusch says that when a central bank can’t loosen monetary policy by implementing negative nominal interest rates, then that only serves to lengthen the amount of time that it is forced to keep interest rates at zero:

According to the historical policy rule and FOMC economic forecasts, the funds rate should be near its zero lower bound not just for the next six or nine months, but for several years. The policy shortfall persists even though the economy is expected to start to grow later this year. Given the severe depth of the current recession, it will require several years of strong economic growth before most of the slack in the economy is eliminated and the recommended funds rate turns positive.

But what about all that quantitative easing? Doesn’t that have the same effect as lower nominal interest rates? Not really: it “has likely only partially offset the funds rate shortfall”, says Rudebusch, and in any case the Fed’s balance sheet is going to have to shrink as the crisis abates — which will serve to act as an effective rise in interest rates. And which will only force the Fed funds rate to stay at zero for that much longer. Maybe it’s time for Bernanke to just set rates at zero and head to the beach for the summer — monetary policy seems to be pretty clear for the foreseeable future."

Me:

Let me recommend the following:

“It’s easy to envision such a system with regard to deposits at the Federal Reserve or transactions deposits at banks; for the most part, the technology to implement such a system is already in place. The main difficulty—both technological and political—lies in imposing such a tax on currency. In the 1930s, Yale economist Irving Fisher proposed such a system, in which currency had to be periodically “stamped,” for a fee, to retain its status as legal tender.[1] The stamp fee could be calibrated to generate any negative nominal interest rate the central bank desired.

While the technology available for implementing such a system is more sophisticated today than in Fisher’s time, enforcement still seems a mammoth problem. It would require physical modifications to currency and some means of tracking the length of time each piece spends in circulation.”

See the following:

Irving Fisher (1933), Stamp Scrip (New York: Adelphi). Fisher credits the stamp money idea to the German–Argentine economist and businessman Silvio Gesell.

Here’s what Buiter says:

“2) Tax currency and ‘stamp’ it to show it is ‘current on interest due’. This is Silvio Gesell’s proposal, supported by Irving Fisher and re-introduced into the policy debate by Marvin Goodfriend and by myself and Nikolaos Panigirtzoglou.[2] When the interest rate on currency is positive, the currency must be marked (by stamping or clipping coupons) to make sure the (anonymous) bearer does not present it repeatedly for the payment of interest. When the interest rate is negative, the (anonymous) bearer must (a) be induced to come forward to receive his negative interest (i.e. pay interest to the central bank) and (b) must be able to demonstrate that the negative interest has been received. To ensure (b), the currency must again be stamped or marked (electronically tagged). To get the bearer to come forward to pay the negative interest we can either rely on honesty and a sense of patriotic duty, or we can impose sanctions for non-compliance. I am afraid penalties for non-compliance (fines, a day in the stocks) would be required to make negative interest on currency work. This would require random checks etc. It would be administratively costly and unpleasantly intrusive. This may well endear the notion to our governments. ”

I like it. And from Brendan Brown on the economistsforum on FT:

“The relevant government would announce that existing banknotes were to be converted into new notes at a fixed date, say three years from now, at a discount (for example 100 old dollar banknotes would be converted into 90 new).

In the interim, 1:1 conversion of banknotes into deposits would be suspended. Instead, a crawling peg would be established. At the start, the exchange rate between deposits and banknotes would be virtually 1:1. At the end it would be 0.9 banknotes/deposit.

As the discount grew, retailers would quote different prices for cash or cheque/card settlement. And as to the note switch-over costs, the “experiment” of Europe’s economic and monetary union demonstrates the feasibility.

The looming conversion would provide an essential degree of freedom for monetary policy. In terms of our illustrative arithmetic, the risk-free interest rate could fall to a negative 3.33 per cent a year without triggering cash withdrawals from the banking system.

Is the exercise worth it?”

I say, emphatically, yes. Let’s give this idea a try.

- Posted by Don the libertarian Democrat

Thursday, May 21, 2009

nothing at all strange about a world in which you put a dollar in a deposit account and get back 95 cents after a year

From Willem Buiter:

"Negative interest rates, Sharia law and tech stocks

May 20, 2009 9:57am

Morality

I know of ethical systems that hold all interest to be sinful. Riba, interest on money, is forbidden by the Quran. I don’t know what Sharia scholars would have to say about negative nominal interest rates. If if were viewed as a gift from the lender to the borrower it might even be condoned. Perhaps an extra-credit question on the next Islamic finance examination? Medieval Christianity also banned ‘usury’, which meant any ‘interest’ rather than outrageous interest rates - its modern meaning.

Interest is viewed by some as immoral because it represents an increase in capital without any services being provided. I don’t share the sense of moral outrage at interest per se, but I can understand where it comes from - something for nothing ain’t right. However, I know of no ethical system that attaches opprobrium to an intertemporal relative price that is greater than unity but not to an intertemporal relative price that is less than unity - or vice versa.

Apparently, there are those who believe that when the price today of one unit of money tomorrow is less than one unit of money now - when the nominal interest rate is positive - there is no moral issue. When the price today of one unit of money tomorrow is more than one unit of money now - when the nominal interest rate is negative - something nasty is being perpetrated. No matter how I shake and bake this set of beliefs, I cannot make sense of it.

Equity, high tech or other

Would the temptation/urge to escape into equity (high-tech, low-tech or no-tech) should the short nominal rate of interest become negative would make a negative nominal interest rate policy infeasible? Obviously not. Below I have scribbled the standard portfolio balance or equilibrium condition that must be satisfied if an investor is will to hold both short nominal bonds with a nominal interest rate i and equity with a dividend per share d, a current share price q, an expected future share price Eq and an equity risk premium π . The risk premium can be given economic content (I won’t bother with that here). It is not whatever is required to make the relationship hold identically.


What this means is that (holding the equity risk premium constant for the sake of argument), a negative nominal interest rate, for a given positive dividend yield, requires the expectation of falling equity prices. This is less counter-intuitive if you replace ‘falling equity prices’ by ‘high but falling equity prices’. So negative nominal interest rates and tech stocks can coexist peacefully. The price today of one dollar of money tomorrow can be a dollar and five cents, that is, i = -0.05. Most economics I know breaks down only if the price today of one dollar of money tomorrow,

, were to become infinite or to become negative (i goes to -1 from above). This would mean a nominal interest rate of minus 100 percent or more. It would be a strange world if you put 1 dollar in a deposit account and after a year got back nothing or a demand for payment. But there is nothing at all strange about a world in which you put a dollar in a deposit account and get back 95 cents after a year. With a bit of luck, we may even get used to having such a state of affairs prevail from time to time."

Me:

Since I've studied the Talmud on some of these issues, I'm going to leave the religious question aside. However, via Zero Hedge, I came upon the following excellent post that gives a version of the ideas I agree with:

http://www.american.com/archive/2009/may-2009/why-not-negative-interest-rates/article_print

"Would anybody rationally pay $1.02 for $1.00 in cash? They do today, if they take cash as a non-customer from an ATM. The average ATM surcharge fee is about $2. For a $100 withdrawal, that is equivalent to a price of $1.02. Alternately thought of, if a $200 withdrawal were cash for one month, the average fee would be equivalent to a negative 12% interest rate.

In general, the increasing dependence on electronic payments makes a massive move to currency less feasible and thus negative interest rates more plausible."

Read the whole post. And, of course, there's this, via Hugo, wherever he is:

http://www.chiemgauer.info/

I have to say, the idea that you would place a disincentive on flight to quality panic buying makes perfect sense to me. Since it is, in some sense, equivalent to inflation, I can only guess that people would rather not notice that their assets have been devalued. Calling Erich Fromm! Posted by: Don the libertarian Democrat