Showing posts with label Risk Of Default. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Risk Of Default. Show all posts

Thursday, December 11, 2008

"The US is bankrupt, and is either going to default or devalue the currency to the point of hyperinflation. "

Irrational Doomsday sees a bubble as well, but he/she also sees hyperinflation, which, while possible, is not a necessity or certainty:

"Treasuries are basically yielding 0% right now, sometimes even flirting with negative yields. And the Fed is going to continue to cut. And the gov't is going to continue to offer more debt, even saying it will use unconventional and creative means to issue more debt.

Why would anyone give the government free money, or in the case of negative yields, pay the government to hold it's money.

If people are worried about deflation, stick your cash in a mattress, at least you don't lose money on the deal.

It makes no sense, other than the fact that Treasury demand is now just operating as a speculative bubble. People are betting that more people will continue to buy up debt, driving prices up. This is an obvious speculative bubble, with absolutely nothing grounded in any notion of investment- with sovereign default rates at record levels, and no returns, or negative returns, how can you justify the risk/reward ratio?

You can't. This bubble is going to burst like all bubbles do, and government borrowing costs are going to skyrocket, as they are simultaneously going to attempt to release more and more debt, and the deficit is widening by record levels.

Eventually, they are going to have to start paying their interest with more debt instruments which is going to create a vicious cycle.

The US is bankrupt, and is either going to default or devalue the currency to the point of hyperinflation."

I certainly hope he/she is wrong.

Tuesday, November 18, 2008

"Assuming that firms want access to new funds, they just can’t afford to pay the surging costs (spreads)"

Rebecca Wilder on News N Economics with an important post:

"But today is a totally different scenario. Spreads started rising quickly in 2007 and remain at record levels in spite of the Fed's and the Treasury’s best attempt to calm credit markets. We have seen no reversion in the spreads, and the recession is just gaining ground!

Assuming that firms want access to new funds, they just can’t afford to pay the surging costs (spreads). On November 14th, the high yield corporate spread was 1590 bps (basis points, or 15.9%) above a comparable Treasury; this is almost double the 2008 to-date average of 820 bps. Furthermore, on November 14th, the investment grade spread, 558 bps, was 82% higher than its 2008 to-date average.

A closer look at 2008 re-iterates the surge in spreads since March 17 when the Fed facilitated the purchase of Bear Stearns. I remember talking to one of the fixed income managers after spreads started to descend through June 2008; he said that the Bear bailout would mark the turning point in credit markets. Oh how wrong we all were.

The longer that the credit crisis persists, the longer will these spreads remain elevated at levels that are higher than what they would have been under a “normal recession”. And there lies the new-found risk to the economy: investment, for one, is going to suffer as long as the spreads remain elevated due to the credit crisis.

Corporate spreads are off the charts, and new debt issuance is suffering greatly. With the marginal cost of issuing new debt at record levels and a full-blown recession underway, it makes sense that firms are cutting back. However, as long as the outlook on credit remains murky, these spreads have no chance of declining quickly like they did late in 2001. This brings me back to my original point: credit markets remain on red alert, which at this point, is exacerbating both the term and the depth of the recession.

Look for a sharp decline in these spreads to signal a healthier credit system.

Rebecca Wilder"

Here's my comment:

Don said...

"Assuming that firms want access to new funds, they just can’t afford to pay the surging costs (spreads)."

This means that they're having to paying higher interest to lenders? People buying their bonds? And this is because the risk of default is significantly higher? People are diving in safer bonds like gov. issued? Couldn't one then work on incentives to help with this? Cutting taxes on interest say? Something?

Don the libertarian Democrat

PS. Is there an ETF to follow these bonds I can put on my Yahoo ticker?

Here's Rebecca's response:

Hi Don,

Good to hear from you!

You said, “This means that they're having to paying higher interest to lenders? People buying their bonds? And this is because the risk of default is significantly higher? People are diving in safer bonds like gov. issued? Couldn't one then work on incentives to help with this? Cutting taxes on interest say? Something?”

The answer is yes to all. Certainly, governments could reduce corporate taxes substantially to drive down investment costs. I bet that they will (hopefully).

The series that I use is a corporate index of a huge pool (like 3,100 new issues) of current market spreads created by Lehman Brothers (Barclays) across investment grade and below investment grade firms. This data, unfortunately, is restricted by membership. A series that is not as “good” (meaning that it is a much smaller basket), but will give you the same story as the investment grade Lehman index, is the Moody’s seasoned Baa rate at the Fed’s website: http://federalreserve.gov/releases/h15/Current/

Take that rate and subtract off a 10yr Treasury, and you have a similar measure of corporate spreads (although the Lehman series is far superior).

Best and thanks for your comments!

Rebecca

Sunday, November 2, 2008

"Moreover, how could the US government ever renege on its debts?"

I can't see this happening, but these are smart guys. Here's Yves Smith on Naked Capitalism:

"We have noted that Treasuries (and the dollar) are the remaining bubbles, although some doubts are starting to surface on the Treasury front. Paul Amery at Prudent Bear gives a good recap:
The tectonic plates underlying the whole superstructure of debt have started to shift.

On the surface nothing remarkable is happening – the 30 year US Treasury bond yield recently hit an all-time low of 3.88%, as investors sought a safe haven during equity market turbulence. Yet while nominal bond yields have declined, the credit risk component of US Treasuries has been on an increasing trend since last year. According to data provided by CMA DataVision, the credit specialists, the 10-year credit default swap spread – a form of insurance contract against issuer default – has risen steadily - from 1.6 basis points (0.016%) in July 2007, to 16 basis points in March 2008, to 30 basis points in September, to over 40 basis points on October 27 – see the chart below for the spread history so far this year. In other words the cost of insuring against a US government default has risen by 25 times in little over a year. Similar trends have been evident in the UK and German government bond markets.

Here's where it gets really scary:

"This has perplexed, and even amused, some market observers. How, they ask, could a private sector contract against default be expected to pay out in the case of a US government default – which would be the equivalent of a nuclear explosion in the financial markets? So what’s the point of buying such a contract?

Moreover, how could the US government ever renege on its debts? After all, it supplies the world’s reserve currency, and the Federal Reserve Chairman reminded us a few years ago of the US authorities’ ability to print money in unlimited quantities. Any “default” would at least be through the time-tested mechanism of inflation and currency devaluation, according to this view." "

I can't see this happening. But then:

"When measured as a percentage of GDP, the US national debt is expected to pass 70% next year, which, though much higher than recent years, is still short of the record 122% registered in 1946, at the end of the Second World War. Some observers point to this comparison as an argument for the sustainability of the current position.

Yet others argue that government debt must be seen in the context of, and as part of, the overall debt burden on the economy. With the US private debt to GDP ratio at levels never seen before – close to 300%, according to Steve Keen, the Australian economist – the question is surely whether the whole debt pyramid can avoid crashing down via a violent and uncontrollable chain of defaults, dragging the government bond market down with it. If this seems far-fetched, it helps to remember that the Latin root of the word credit comes from credere – to believe, but also to trust. For large sections of the private sector bond market, it is precisely that trust which has disappeared over the last year and a half. To suggest that such “credit revulsion”, to use an old term, might spread to governments’ debt obligations is surely not beyond the realms of possibility.

Again, I don't see any of this happening. Some of the comments give good reasons why. But how would we ever know until it happened? I don't know.