Showing posts with label Sale Price To Rent Ration. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Sale Price To Rent Ration. Show all posts

Thursday, January 8, 2009

"we have to distinguish between speculators and investors"

From Calculated Risk, one reason lower mortgage rates aren't luring more home buyers:

"Housing: Declining Rents

by CalculatedRisk on 1/08/2009 02:07:00 PM

With investors buying low priced homes to rent (see previous post) and the economy in recession, guess what happens? More rental supply, less demand and falling rents ...

From the LA Times: Housing downturn hits L.A.-area rents (hat tip Charlie)

After rising for several years, rents in the Los Angeles area are declining because of the economic recession and depressed home prices, researchers, real estate agents and property managers say.

The lower local rents match a national trend, according to a report released Wednesday showing apartment rents fell in 54 out of 79 U.S. metropolitan areas in the fourth quarter of 2008. Softening rents add another obstacle to a housing market recovery, economists say, because tenants with low rent payments feel less urgency to buy a home.( TRUE )


Nationwide, apartment rents eased 0.1% in the fourth quarter, the first drop since 2002, according to the analysis by research firm Reis Inc."
Here's the earlier post:

"Speculators or Investors?

by CalculatedRisk on 1/08/2009 11:14:00 AM

From Bloomberg: No Recovery for Real Estate as Speculators Dominate Sales (hat tip James)

As the U.S. housing recession enters its fourth year, there’s no sign of a recovery because speculators account for most of the rise in sales.
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While the purchases are trimming the inventory of unsold properties, most of those bought by speculators will likely return to the market when prices rise again, hampering any recovery, said Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz and Yale University Professor Robert Shiller in interviews.

“We’re creating a shadow inventory of homes that will be right back on the market as soon as the economy and the housing market begin to improve,” said Stiglitz, a Columbia University professor of economics. “We could see a double-dip in the housing recession if that happens.”
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“You don’t have it in strong hands, you have flippers,” said Shiller, who helped create the S&P/Case Shiller real estate price indexes. “These speculators are preventing the market from crashing now, and when they get out it could fall again.”( OF COURSE, IF PRICES CONTINUE TO FALL OR REMAIN STAGNANT... )
Uh, no. In this case I believe Shiller is wrong.

First, we have to distinguish between speculators and investors. My view is speculators buy with the intention of flipping or re-selling as soon as possible( THEY MAKE A DECENT PROFIT AFTER TAXES ). Investors buy for cash flow. The Bloomberg article offers this example:
Robert Arnold, a real estate investor who rents out a dozen homes near Orlando, Florida ... bought an Orlando foreclosure in June for $60,000, about a third of its appraised value, and spent $20,000 repairing it. Four months ago he rented it for $950 a month....

“Most of the houses I buy are junkers, but with a little work they become cash cows,” Arnold said.
Arnold is not a flipper, and according to the real estate agents I've spoken with recently, most of the recent non-owner occupied buyers are buying for cash flow just like Arnold.

Yes, these investors will probably keep price appreciation down in the future, but I'd argue a cash flow investor is a "strong hand" and I think they will hold the property longer than Shiller expects. ( THAT DEPENDS UPON THE RENTAL MARKET. OF COURSE, IT ALSO DEPENDS UPON THE TYPE OF HOUSES BEING BOUGHT. THESE SOUND LIKE HOUSES THAT ARE IN POOR CONDITION, BUT THAT CAN BE MADE HABITABLE FOR VERY LITTLE MONEY. THERE'S A LIMIT TO THIS TYPE OF HOUSE AND OPPORTUNITY. )

There are a lot of bets being made now, but no clear winners have as yet emerged. I still see home prices when averaged going down another 5 to 10 % from here.

Sunday, December 21, 2008

"many Republican contributors in the financial sector were making a fortune on garbage mortgages? "

Dean Baker with another good post:

"Bush, the Political Philosopher, Reappears in the NYT

That's right, the headline of an NYT article tells us that, "White House Philosophy Stoked Mortgage Bonfire." Was it their philosophy? How about as an alternative hypothesis that many Republican contributors in the financial sector were making a fortune on garbage mortgages ( I AGREE )?

The article is actually reasonably good in making this point, but the headline writer certainly deserves some grief. The point, for the 946,326th time is that people get elected to office by currying the favor of powerful interest groups( THIS IS OUR SYSTEM ). They don't get elected for their excellence as political philosophers. Reporters and headline writers should know this.

The article also includes the remarkable revelation that people in the Bush administration first noted the soaring sale price to rent ratio in March of 2007 (okay, some did note it sooner). While this discovery is attributed to someone who is described as a 29 year-old "whiz kid," this is about the most basic statistic that one can use to examine house prices. Any analyst of house prices who was not familiar with this ratio should have been fired instantly for an ungodly level of incompetence. ( AN UNGODLY LEVEL OF INCOMPETENCE DESCRIBES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION )

If you don't understand the central place of Interest Groups in our Political Culture, you won't be able to understand much of what takes place in it.