Showing posts with label Crowding Ouy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Crowding Ouy. Show all posts

Friday, January 23, 2009

They thought that budget deficits would stimulate growth under all circumstances, not just those of a deflationary depression.

From Mark Thoma:

"Does Stimulus Stimulate?"

Bruce Bartlett:

Does Stimulus Stimulate?, by Bruce Bartlett, Forbes.com: ...The [Great Depression] didn't really end until both monetary and fiscal policy became expansive with the onset of World War II. At that point, no one worried any more about budget deficits, and the Fed pegged interest rates to ensure that they stayed low, increasing the money supply as necessary to achieve this goal.

It was then and only then that the Great Depression truly ended. As a consequence, economists concluded that an expansive monetary and fiscal policy, which had been advocated by economist John Maynard Keynes throughout the 1930s, was the key to getting out of a depression.

Keynes was right, but many of his followers weren't. They thought that budget deficits would stimulate growth under all circumstances, not just those of a deflationary depression( I AGREE WITH BARTLETT HERE, AS I'VE POSTED. BARRO DOESN'T SEEM TO GET THE NATURE OF A CALLING RUN, ALTHOUGH HE SAYS HE DOES. ). When this medicine was applied inappropriately, as it was in the 1960s and 1970s, the result was inflation.( NOT HERE. NOT YET. )

Economists then concluded that it was a mistake to pursue countercyclical fiscal policy, and the idea of "fine-tuning" became a derogatory term. ...

In the 1980s and 1990s, economists came around to the view that only monetary policy could act quickly enough to reverse or moderate a recession. ... [But...] As we have seen, the Fed could not prevent the greatest financial downturn the world has seen since 1929. This has revived the idea that fiscal policy must be the engine that pulls us out.

Somewhat surprisingly, there has been rather heated opposition to the very principle of fiscal stimulus... We have now had several tests of the Keynesian idea--most recently with last year's $300 tax rebate... According to a new paper by University of Michigan economists Matthew Shapiro and Joel Slemrod, only a third of the money was spent, thus providing very little "bang for the buck."( TRUE )

The failure of rebates has shifted the focus to public works and other direct spending measures as a means of stimulating aggregate spending. A study by Obama administration economists Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein predicts that the stimulus plan being debated in Congress will raise the gross domestic product by $1.57 for every $1 spent.

Such a multiplier effect has been heavily criticized by a number of top economists, including John Taylor of Stanford, Gary Becker and Eugene Fama of the University of Chicago and Greg Mankiw and Robert Barro of Harvard.( I LIKE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ) The gist of their argument is that the government cannot expand the economy through deficit spending because it has to borrow the funds in the first place, thus displacing other economic activities( THIS IS WRONG ). In the end, the government has simply moved around economic activity without increasing it in the aggregate.( WRONG )

Other reputable economists have criticized this position as being no different from the pre-Keynesian view that helped make the Great Depression so long and deep. Paul Krugman of Princeton, Brad DeLong of the University of California at Berkeley and Mark Thoma of the University of Oregon have been outspoken in their belief that theory and experience show that government spending can expand the economy under conditions such as we are experiencing today( I AGREE WITH THEM IN THIS CASE. ).

I think the critics of an activist fiscal policy are forgetting the essential role of monetary policy as it relates to fiscal policy. As Keynes was very clear about, the whole point of fiscal stimulus is to mobilize monetary policy and inject liquidity into the economy. This is necessary when nominal interest rates get very low, as they are now, because Fed policy becomes impotent. Keynes called this a liquidity trap, and I think there is strong evidence that we are in one right now.( ZIRP )

The problem is that fiscal stimulus needs to be injected right now to counter the liquidity trap. If that were the case, I think we might well get a very high multiplier effect this year( I AGREE ). But if much of the stimulus doesn't come online until next year, when we are likely to be past the worst of the slowdown, then crowding out will greatly diminish the effectiveness of the stimulus, just as the critics argue. ... Thus the argument really boils down to a question of timing. ...( I AGREE COMPLETELY )

For this reason, I think there is a better case for stimulating the economy through tax policy than has been made. Congress can change incentives instantly by, for example, saying that new investments in machinery and equipment made after today would qualify for a 10% Investment Tax Credit...( MY IDEA )

Stimulus based on private investment also has the added virtue of establishing a foundation for future growth, whereas consumption spending( OFTEN ) does not. As economist Hal Varian of the University of California at Berkeley recently put it, "Private investment is what makes possible future increases in production and consumption. Investment tax credits or other subsidies for private sector investment are not as politically appealing as tax cuts for consumers or increases in government expenditure. But if private investment doesn't increase, where will the extra consumption come from in the future?"

I don't agree with all of this, e.g. the "government is always the problem" emphasis in the analysis, and casting the debate as a tradeoff between private investment and private consumption rather than between private sector activity (consumption or investment) and public investment overstates the case for private sector solutions. [These arguments from yesterday apply as well.]

I've never objected to tax cuts being part of the package -- I have also argued that the desire for an immediate impact may necessitate some tax cut components in order to maximize the prospects for a faster recovery. And as tax cuts go, there are far worse choices than an investment tax credit( GOOD. THEN JOIN US. ). But just as there's a limit to the number of public sector projects that are shovel ready, there's also a limit to the number of private sector projects that are ready to go (though the planning stage does involve some spending, just not as much as when the public or private sector investment projects are going full throttle)( YES ). There's also a question about how strong the reaction will be to a tax credit when the economic outlook is so gloomy( TRUE. IT MIGHT ONLY MARGINALLY HELP. BUT WE NEED TO TRY. ), a question that doesn't arise when government is making the investments. So, sure, let's get as much out of the private sector as we can, but we shouldn't rely solely upon the private sector response to a tax credit to turn things around( AGREED ). It's very unlikely to be enough on its own, and it may not provide much help at all, Thus, even with tax credits, the public sector response - government spending in particular - still needs to be aggressive."

I agree. Infrastructure investment also sends a positive message. Oh my God. I actually resorted to talking about how people might behave in the real world. A real benefit of the stimulus in Infrastructure ( I said $100 Billion ) would be emotional. I will spend more money if I FEEL LIKE IT. Crowding out, a purely mechanistic explanation, is a fairly useful model, no more, under normal circumstances. Using math to describe correlations between various economic factors doesn't make you a scientist. All that the math does, or any correlative reasoning, is give you some useful guides to understanding how people might react in various circumstances. Crowding out is NOT a law of nature. Adam Smith understood philosophy, politics, economics, history, etc. What education do many of these economists receive? They have a philosophy of math that is hilarious. Of course, so do many mathematicians and philosophers, so let's not go there.

Let me repeat my plan:
1) $100 Billion on infrastructure, to be built only when benefits exceed the costs.
2) Sales tax cut $200 Billion
3) Investment incentives $100 Billion
4) Social safety net spending is not included in my stimulus. It is simply money that needs to be spent as part of the social contract.

Thursday, January 8, 2009

Wilbur Ross Will Buy A Bank. So He's Been Saying For Eight Months

Casey Mulligan gets ecstatic over one quote:

"Flashback: Another Example of How Washington Helped Decapitalize the Banking Industry

A billionaire venture capitalist explains how he has not yet bought a distressed bank because the Treasury is doing all the buying these days.

Thanks Alberto for the tip. "

Here's Wilbur Ross:

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Billionaire investor Wilbur Ross, known for his investments in distressed companies in the steel, automotive industries, said it is only a matter of time before his firm acquires a bank.

"We will end up with a bank, there is no doubt about that," Ross, the chairman and CEO of WL Ross & Co., said in an interview Tuesday.

Ross, a major player in the private equity industry, said that his plans to purchase a depository institution were delayed last year after the government moved to inject capital into the nation's banking system as part of a broader effort to halt the financial crisis.( WHY? )

He estimated that the rescue package delayed his investment anywhere between six to twelve months( WHY? ), and suggested that his firm might look to buy a commercial bank or thrift institution.

Ross made a string of investments across the financial services sector last year, including the purchase of H&R Block's (HRB) subprime mortgage servicing unit last spring for $1.3 billion and the acquisition of bankrupt American Home Mortgage Investment Corp.

But some of those bets have backfired. Last February he plowed $250 million into the bond insurer Assured Guaranty (AGO) at around $21 a share. The company's market value has been nearly cut in half since then.

Still, acquiring sources of deposits has become a top priority for banks and other financial institutions in the past few months since credit has gotten harder to come by as a result of the ongoing crisis. Private equity investors like Ross have also expressed a desire to buy banks as well.

"What is important is to get access to a stable, low-cost source of funding," Ross said. "That is what we are interested in."

Faced with a quickly rising tide of bank failures, banking regulators have relaxed restrictions about who can buy a depository institution in the hopes of coaxing outside investors to take part in the bidding.( THAT'S TRUE. I'VE POSTED ON THIS.)

Last Friday, a group of private investment firms, including buyout shop J.C. Flowers & Co and hedge fund Paulson & Co.( APPARENTLY PAULSON CAN DO WHAT ROSS CAN'T ), struck a deal with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. to buy failed mortgage lender IndyMac for $13.9 billion.

As part of the deal, the buyers will take responsibility for the first 20% of losses, and the FDIC will cover the majority of additional losses.

Last week's IndyMac announcement is particularly noteworthy since there have only been a few investments made in banks by private equity firms and other distressed investors in recent months -- and many of those deals have quickly soured.

Most notably, private equity firm TPG made a disastrous investment in Washington Mutual, the savings and loan that collapsed in September. It was the largest bank failure in history. WaMu was subsequently sold( WHERE WAS ROSS? ) to JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500).

But Ross said it would make more sense if private equity firms are allowed to take full ownership of a bank instead of just a small stake.

"Private equity is not passive. We are not minority investors. We are control investors. That is the whole theory of private equity - adding value through better management," he said. To top of page

And here's Wilbur Ross on CNBC:

In an exclusive interview with CNBC.com, Wilbur Ross, chairman and CEO of WL Ross & Co., says he sees possibly as many as a thousand bank closures in the coming months. And this will create opportunities for investors.

"I do think a lot of the regional ones will (close), just as they did in the last savings and loan crisis in the 1990s," Ross said. (Watch the full CNBC.com exclusive interview with Wilbur Ross on the left)

Ross says he will be looking to pick up smaller distressed institutions. "There will be opportunities, but we will need federal assistance in them( WILL YOU WILBUR? ), because what we're mainly looking for is stable sources of deposits( FDIC ), not so much the loan portfolio."

Ross feels that there will be too many people willing to provide capital to the large financials, which makes them less of a bargain than smaller banks.

When asked about his views on Bank of America's purchase of Merrill Lynch , Ross said that he didn't think that Merrill was in that dire a position.

"I think people in general felt better about Merrill's situation than about Lehman. I think ever since John Thain came in, he's done a wonderful job trying to fix what was a very difficult situation," Ross said.

He also noted that this was really now the second successful turnaround for Thain. "He (Thain)saved Merrill, went into BoFA ... Temasek, for example, went into something like a $5 a share profit out of this. So it's not a tragic ending."

"It will be very interesting to see where Thain ends up in the Bank of America hierarchy," Ross added.

"By Will McSheehy

April 16 (Bloomberg) -- Billionaire financier Wilbur Ross Jr., who made his fortune turning around distressed steel and textile companies, plans to seek about $4 billion from investors including Arab sovereign funds to buy U.S. depositary banks.

Ross, 70, will talk with Gulf investors in Abu Dhabi next week about 100 to 200 so-called thrift banks, he said in a phone interview from New York today. He said some of the lenders are good investments, even after a mortgage-market slump led to $245 billion of asset writedowns and credit losses at the world's biggest banks.

Regional depositary banks have ``more narrowly defined'' problems and ``a more stable base of deposits'' than cross-border lenders such as Citigroup Inc. and UBS AG, Ross said. He plans to package U.S. thrift bank acquisitions ``as a finished product'' to sovereign wealth funds( THEY'RE DOING WELL NOW ), he said.

Flush with cash from record oil income, Gulf funds are among investors that committed at least $59 billion in the past year to shore up banks including Citigroup and Merrill Lynch & Co. Abu Dhabi's sovereign fund, the world's richest with estimated assets of $875 billion, agreed to invest $7.5 billion in Citigroup in November. Qatar's fund will spend as much as $15 billion on bank stakes, the Gulf state's prime minister said in February.

Thrifts Are `Vulnerable'

Thrifts are ``particularly vulnerable because their portfolios tend to be so real estate-oriented,'' and so can be bought ``at a very attractive price,'' Ross said today. Acquired banks could be combined with a mortgage business to provide stable funding for home loans that are ``essential'' to the U.S. economy even if ``singularly unprofitable'' right now.

Depositary banks are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and can accept consumer deposits. The FDIC insures deposits at 8,534 banks and savings associations in the U.S., more than 90 percent of which are community-based banks. Thrifts can be savings and loans, credit unions or savings banks.

Each thrift acquisition would probably be valued at around $500 million, Ross said. His buyout company, WL Ross & Co., may invest about $2 billion of its own money in the acquisitions. The firm has ``relations and existing investments'' with some Gulf sovereign wealth funds, he said, without providing names.

Washington Mutual Inc., the biggest U.S. savings and loan institution, on April 8 said it got $7 billion from a group of investors led by David Bonderman's TPG Inc. after losses on subprime loans erased 74 percent of its market value.

`Less Than Satisfactory'

Citigroup stock has slumped 24 percent since it announced Abu Dhabi's investment on Nov. 26. Merrill Lynch is down 16 percent since Kuwait's fund said it bought $2 billion of convertible securities Jan. 15.

``Some of the initial forays have been less than satisfactory, at least on a temporary trading basis, so there is obviously a degree of caution,'' by Gulf funds, Ross said.

Investors like Ross can profit from a decline in value of financial-services companies amid the U.S. subprime crisis, said Steven Kaplan, a professor of finance at the University of Chicago's business school.

``Financial companies have declined in value a lot,'' Kaplan said in a phone interview today. ``I'm sure many of them deserve to have declined. But some of them probably haven't, and those are the ones he's going after.''

Ross is already betting on the mortgage-servicing industry, which processes loan payments and forecloses on bad mortgages. Servicing companies can gain value during housing slumps because borrowers are less likely to move or refinance, making the stream of fees paid by a mortgage owner last longer.

Acquisitions

Ross is seeking to acquire H&R Block Inc.'s mortgage- servicing unit for $1.1 billion. His AH Mortgage Acquisition Co. this week closed its purchase of an American Home Mortgage Investment Corp. subsidiary. That transaction was valued at about $500 million last year.

Ross's firm joined with Richard Branson's London-based Virgin Group Ltd. earlier this year to bid for U.K. lender Northern Rock Plc. The bank was taken over by the U.K. government instead. The collapse of the U.S. subprime mortgage market lifted the cost of credit around the globe and led to a run on Northern Rock last year.

Ross said today that the Northern Rock bid provided ``knowledge we'd like to put back to work'' if the right opportunity arises in the U.K. mortgage market.

Ross is scheduled to speak at a conference in Abu Dhabi April 21 organized by the Asian Venture Capital Journal."

So, since April of last year, Wilbur Ross has been looking into buying a bank. Since then, a number of banks have been sold. Others have failed. What he's looking for is a total collapse of the market. He sees 1000 banks failing. Whenever an investor telegraphs his intentions like this, please take it with a grain of salt. He might buy a bank next week, or never.

Finally, I have posted a fairly large number of quotes now, from billionaires to some of the best investors in the world, who have said that investors are waiting on and want government intervention, even though some of these sources don't. Yet, that doesn't qualify as evidence, but one blowhard investor trumpeting on in public for eight months about his buying a bank constitutes proof. Really?