Showing posts with label High Yield Corporate Spreads. Show all posts
Showing posts with label High Yield Corporate Spreads. Show all posts

Wednesday, December 3, 2008

"Yields on speculative-grade bonds imply a U.S. default rate of 21 percent, higher than the record set during the Great Depression in 1933"

For the second day in a row, I've been sidetracked by a post. I should be working on my first novel, which is a philosophical horror roman. What do I mean by Philosophical Horror? Imagine taking the neurons of Stephen King and Albert Camus, tossing them in a bag, adding a few synapses, and shaking them. There. That's the start of a philosophical horror book.

Now, here's the story on Bloomberg:

"By Bryan Keogh

Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Yields on speculative-grade bonds imply a U.S. default rate of 21 percent, higher than the record set during the Great Depression in 1933, according to John Lonski, chief economist at Moody’s Investors Service.

The extra yield investors demand to own U.S. high-yield bonds was 19.19 percentage points on Dec. 1, according to Moody’s. Assuming a 20 percent recovery rate, the spread implies a default rate of 20.9 percent, Lonski said yesterday in a market commentary. That compares with a rate of 11 percent in January 2001, 12.1 percent in June 1991 and 15.4 percent in 1933.

Defaults and bankruptcies are accelerating as financing options for high-yield companies dwindle amid the longest U.S. economic recession in at least 26 years. The U.S. default rate rose to 3.3 percent in October, according to Moody’s, which forecasts the rate to increase to 4.9 percent in December and 11.2 percent by November 2009.

“The default rate is going to start rising quickly, soon enough it’s going to be breaking above 10 percent,” Lonski said in an interview. “Lack of access to financial capital is a very big problem for high-yield bonds.”

Now, to me this is preposterous. It's driven by an irrational aversion and fear of risk, which can cause these kind's of scenario's to come true. Of course, I could be wrong about this, but it doesn't pass my smell test.

What's the smell test? I use my nose as a kind of Bayesian filter and take a good whiff of the probabilities that might arise. I don't believe that we'll have more defaults than the Depression. Next, you'll be telling me that the Sun is more likely to Supernova than Junk bonds not default.

Would I buy these bonds? Um, um, um, sure, why not? I'll take a hundred. Put it on my tab.

"The National Bureau of Economic Research, the panel that dates American business expansion, on Dec. 1 confirmed that the U.S. economy has been in a recession for 12 months, making it the longest since 1982. The economy shrank at a 0.5 percent pace in the third quarter after expanding 2.8 percent in the previous three months. Economists expect a 2.2 percent contraction in gross domestic product for the fourth quarter, the average estimate from a Bloomberg survey.

Three companies have sold $2.7 billion of high-yield bonds this quarter, compared with $30 billion in the same period a year ago, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Leveraged loans arranged this year total $301 billion, down more than a third from last year, Bloomberg data show.

“There’s a lot of forced selling of high-yield bonds by hedge funds owing to the need to de-lever as well as by mutual funds in response to redemptions,” Lonski said. “You’re looking at a market where the sellers well outnumber the buyers and the reluctance on the part of buyers makes sense if only because a bottom for economic activity is not yet in sight.”

High-yield, high-risk bonds are rated below Baa3 by Moody’s and BBB- by Standard & Poor’s."

Okay. Deleveraging is a problem. But I still think this is overdone.

Now I'll probably have to talk about that Bayesian post that Hsu wrote.

Tuesday, November 18, 2008

"Assuming that firms want access to new funds, they just can’t afford to pay the surging costs (spreads)"

Rebecca Wilder on News N Economics with an important post:

"But today is a totally different scenario. Spreads started rising quickly in 2007 and remain at record levels in spite of the Fed's and the Treasury’s best attempt to calm credit markets. We have seen no reversion in the spreads, and the recession is just gaining ground!

Assuming that firms want access to new funds, they just can’t afford to pay the surging costs (spreads). On November 14th, the high yield corporate spread was 1590 bps (basis points, or 15.9%) above a comparable Treasury; this is almost double the 2008 to-date average of 820 bps. Furthermore, on November 14th, the investment grade spread, 558 bps, was 82% higher than its 2008 to-date average.

A closer look at 2008 re-iterates the surge in spreads since March 17 when the Fed facilitated the purchase of Bear Stearns. I remember talking to one of the fixed income managers after spreads started to descend through June 2008; he said that the Bear bailout would mark the turning point in credit markets. Oh how wrong we all were.

The longer that the credit crisis persists, the longer will these spreads remain elevated at levels that are higher than what they would have been under a “normal recession”. And there lies the new-found risk to the economy: investment, for one, is going to suffer as long as the spreads remain elevated due to the credit crisis.

Corporate spreads are off the charts, and new debt issuance is suffering greatly. With the marginal cost of issuing new debt at record levels and a full-blown recession underway, it makes sense that firms are cutting back. However, as long as the outlook on credit remains murky, these spreads have no chance of declining quickly like they did late in 2001. This brings me back to my original point: credit markets remain on red alert, which at this point, is exacerbating both the term and the depth of the recession.

Look for a sharp decline in these spreads to signal a healthier credit system.

Rebecca Wilder"

Here's my comment:

Don said...

"Assuming that firms want access to new funds, they just can’t afford to pay the surging costs (spreads)."

This means that they're having to paying higher interest to lenders? People buying their bonds? And this is because the risk of default is significantly higher? People are diving in safer bonds like gov. issued? Couldn't one then work on incentives to help with this? Cutting taxes on interest say? Something?

Don the libertarian Democrat

PS. Is there an ETF to follow these bonds I can put on my Yahoo ticker?

Here's Rebecca's response:

Hi Don,

Good to hear from you!

You said, “This means that they're having to paying higher interest to lenders? People buying their bonds? And this is because the risk of default is significantly higher? People are diving in safer bonds like gov. issued? Couldn't one then work on incentives to help with this? Cutting taxes on interest say? Something?”

The answer is yes to all. Certainly, governments could reduce corporate taxes substantially to drive down investment costs. I bet that they will (hopefully).

The series that I use is a corporate index of a huge pool (like 3,100 new issues) of current market spreads created by Lehman Brothers (Barclays) across investment grade and below investment grade firms. This data, unfortunately, is restricted by membership. A series that is not as “good” (meaning that it is a much smaller basket), but will give you the same story as the investment grade Lehman index, is the Moody’s seasoned Baa rate at the Fed’s website: http://federalreserve.gov/releases/h15/Current/

Take that rate and subtract off a 10yr Treasury, and you have a similar measure of corporate spreads (although the Lehman series is far superior).

Best and thanks for your comments!

Rebecca