Monday, April 27, 2009 at 11:12 am
Breaking news: Tim Geithner goes to lots of meetings
I'm sitting in a gigantic ballroom at the Beverly Hilton in Beverly Hills, waiting for a Milken Institute Global Conference panel on when the financial recovery is coming. But I've already breezed through Jo Becker and Gretchen Morgenson's epic examination of Tim Geithner's lunch dates while he was president of the New York Fed.
In general it was pretty unremarkable: The president of the New York Fed should spent much of his/her time meeting with bankers. The two things that struck me as interesting were that:
1) Geithner's relationship with Sandy Weill was awfully close. Weill even wanted Geithner to succeed Chuck Prince as Citigroup CEO. Geithner was smart enough to say he'd be no good for the job. But Weill has not come out of this crisis looking great, and Geithner's apparent decision to adopt Weill as his mentor seems like evidence of somewhat questionable judgment.
2) Geithner urged last June that the government guarantee all the debt in the banking system. If that had been done at the time, I think it's reasonable to say that we would not now be in the worst economic crisis since the Depression. I'm sure we'd have lots of other problems, but still: Geithner saw the severity of the crisis before others in government did."
Monday, April 27, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I posted a defense of Geithner on the NY Times today:
"Timothy F. Geithner, who as president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank oversaw many of the nation's most powerful financial institutions, stunned the group with the audacity of his answer. He proposed asking Congress to give the president broad power to guarantee all the debt in the banking system, according to two participants, including Michele Davis, then an assistant Treasury secretary.
The proposal quickly died amid protests that it was politically untenable because it could put taxpayers on the hook for trillions of dollars.
“People thought, ‘Wow, that's kind of out there,' ” said John C. Dugan, the comptroller of the currency, who heard about the idea afterward. Mr. Geithner says, “I don't remember a serious discussion on that proposal then.”
This is not my interpretation of what Geithner was proposing. He was proposing a full guarantee on the system in order to keep a panic and debt-deflationary spiral from occurring. The whole point of the guarantee would be to stop investors from panicking and allow a more orderly unwinding of positions. It is an attempt to save money, by not allowing the economy, unemployment, investment, etc., to explode. It is best done at the beginning of a financial crisis in order to alleviate its severity, since, everyone should know this, the government will intervene if the crisis is bad enough.
Too bad no one understood or accepted the proposal.
Don the libertarian Democrat
— Don, Tacoma, WA
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Anyway, let's go through this: If you feel that letting Lehman go was a good idea, and that AIG, etc., should have just crashed, whatever that would have meant, more power to you. I don't agree, but I understand.
But if you think that Lehman should have been saved, then you must believe that either the govt should have given them a loan or helped the B of A merge with them. Those were the actual choices. Hey, isn't that Geithner's view?
What about Fannie/Freddie? You might believe with me that explicitly guaranteeing them might have stopped the flight from agencies occurring. Hey, isn't that Geithner's view?
If you are a follower of Fisher, and fear a Calling Run, and believe that only a full govt guarantee can stop it, then, hey, that's Geithner's view, isn't it?
In fact, if you were, like me, calling for a Swedish type solution in September, you were assuming that the govt was going to guarantee everything a la Sweden, weren't you? Hey, isn't that Geithner's view?
If you believe that AIG needed to be saved after Lehman, and Merrill as well, and we now know that the only real plan was to merge a large failing financial institution with another, like Bear, WaMu,Merrill, the attempt at Lehman, wouldn't you have expected the govt that week to try like hell and get a merger? Hey, isn't that Geithner's view?
What exactly are the people opposing what I just said arguing? I'm for:
1) Narrow Banking
2) A self-insured investment sector that's well-supervised
3) Quantitative Easing
4) Stamping
5) A large stimulus
6) A very robust social safety net
The only way to have stopped the Calling Run, onset of Debt-Deflation, was a total govt guarantee. No one else has the resources to stop one. Period. Also, Debt-Deflation has no natural stopping point. It has no natural stopping point for unemployment or wealth loss, and is not predictable. It is inherently unpredictable.
If you're not afraid of that, well then, fine. But I am. It has nothing to do with what I want. The main economists I'm relying on are Milton Friedman and Irving Fisher. This situation is too complex and messy to pick easy positions.
It's been trial and error because that's how a govt with different interests, etc., works.