"Jim Rogers: Bailouts Increase Depression Risk March 17, 2009 – 3:15 pm

This post’s title comes from an interview Rogers did with Bloomberg, published today. Below is a recent interview in which Rogers makes the OA argument that more debt will only compound our economic troubles…
The idea that you can solve a problem of too much debt and too much consumption with more debt and more consumption….That defies logic.
Me:
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Aaron,
Thanks for the response. I take it that Irving Fisher himself answered your points about Debt-Deflation and why deflation is disorienting in his classic paper, but you can disagree. It does matter if people accept a downturn and that social upheaval is a precarious situation unable to be clearly predicted. The most important writings on this are by Edmund Burke. That you disagree is fine.
But on the logic point, you said nothing. I understand that a person can disagree or dislike what the borrowing is being used for in practice, but it is not a matter of logic. It is a matter of whether or not the investment or money is well spent. That was my point.
Although I generally agree with Jim Rogers, I disagree about how to get out of this situation. It is not enough to say it’s a matter of logic if it isn’t. My disagreement with him is purely practical and pragmatic. I don’t think that his solutions will work in this situation. The point of my post was to show that people can agree on many of the problems and goals, and yet disagree practically on how to right the ship, so to speak. For me, again following Burke, this is because there’s a difference between Politics and Political Theory, and Economics and Political Economy.
Again, I understood and enjoyed your comments.
Don
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Merry,
Thanks for the response. You are correct. Hyperinflation is the fear. Here’s one post on why I fear it less than Deflation:
http://fatasmihov.blogspot.com/2009/03/will-there-be-hyperinflation-in-us.html
My view of QE is based on this:
Read W.Buiter “Helicopter Money” here:
http://www.nber.org/~wbuiter/helijpe.pdf
Finally, speaking of paradoxes. Jim Rogers is a libertarian. Yet, he says that China, because it has such large reserves, is in better position to weather this crisis. China has a planned economy at the top. It put into place a national economic plan that put it in this position. Did the fact that China has a central authority help it in this case?


































I like Jim Rogers,and but I disagree with him in the following ways:
1) Debt-Deflation has no natural stopping point. He seems to think that we’ll hit some bottom, and then just dig ourselves out. I don’t believe that. Some holes are simply to big to dig out of without people chucking the free market aside or crushing it. In my view, he’s too optimistic about people accepting a downturn stoically.
2) Deflation is much worse than inflation because it’s disorienting. Inflation will be a tough battle, but I am much more sanguine that we can beat that than I am about our beating deflation. Always move a battle onto a terrain that you are familiar with.
3) Our social safety net is not as good as he presumes. Again, people are not going to simply accept high unemployment without demanding help from the government.
4) Paradoxes are part of life and logic. Read a good Raymond Smullyan book. There is nothing inherently silly about going more into debt temporarily if you can invest that money into things that will generate a profit going forward. You can only judge that by the investments and spending. It is not a rule of logic or implicature.
By Don the libertarian Democrat on Mar 17, 2009