Friday, December 5, 2008

"History tells that once the labor market weakens as much as it has in the past several months, job-shedding takes on a life of its own "

Real Time Economics on the WSJ, which I constantly read, sums up the employment news:

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Economists React: Employment Report ‘Almost Indescribably Terrible’

Economists and others weigh in on the substantially worse-than-expected decline in nonfarm payrolls, and the increase in the unemployment rate.


  • This is almost indescribably terrible. In the past six months the U.S. has lost 1.55 million jobs, almost as many as were lost in the whole 2001 recession, which included 9/11 and the two months after. The pace of job losses is accelerating alarmingly, as this report attests, with steep drops in most sectors but the biggest deterioration in services — down 370,000 in November after 153,000 in October. Note education/health and governmentt added 59,000, so core private payrolls even worse than headline. Desperate. –Ian Shepherdson, High Frequency Economics
  • Desperate.

  • "Quite simply, there was nothing good in this report. Even though some might take comfort in the relatively modest uptick in the jobless rate (from 6.5% to 6.7%), this is actually quite misleading. In fact, the household survey’s measure of employment came in at -673,000, an even sharper plunge than seen in the payroll figures. The jobless rate was actually restrained by a large decline in the labor force — as we had suspected… It is worth noting that the November payroll figures would have been even worse were it not for a special factor. We estimate that the direct and indirect effects of the resolution of the Boeing strike probably added about 35,000 employees to manufacturing payrolls in November. –David Greenlaw, Morgan Stanley"

  • Nothing Good.

  • "The September-though-November period saw an average 419,000 average monthly job losses, as the recession deepened. More timely unemployment insurance claims data suggest no let up in the current pace of job losses. While the unemployment rate rose only 0.2 percentage point to 6.7% in today’s report, the labor force shrank by 422,000 in November and 237,000 over the September-November period. While this suggests a discouraged worker effect, the severe worsening in labor markets has been relatively recent, with employment declines in January-August deviating little from the -82,000 per month average. There is little doubt that labor slack is rising rapidly, and the unemployment rate will jump in the months ahead. –Steven Wieting, Citigroup"

  • The Rate Will Jump.

  • "The November decline stands as the largest single month drop since December 1974, when employment plummeted by 602,000. With the latest revisions averaging nearly 100,000 per month, the November job loss could easily end up being the new post-World War II benchmark for severe job declines. The current job losses however are a much smaller share of total employment. For instance, the 535,000 decline represents a 0.39% drop in employment from October while the December 1974 drop was 0.77%. Nonetheless, the scale and speed of job losses over the last three months remains the worst since the 1973-75 recession. –David Resler, Nomura Securities"

  • Worst Since 1973-75 Recession.

  • "The bottom drops out of the labor market… History tells that once the labor market weakens as much as it has in the past several months, job-shedding takes on a life of its own and tends to persist for a long while. We expect labor market conditions to be dreadful for many months to come and consequently for consumer spending to continue to decline. The U.S. consumer, which for so many years was the global engine of growth, will remain a significant drag on economic activity in coming quarters. –Joshua Shapiro, MFR Inc."

  • Now, this is hugely important from my point of view:

    "History tells that once the labor market weakens as much as it has in the past several months, job-shedding takes on a life of its own and tends to persist for a long while."

    I believe that this shedding of jobs is also an overreaction due to the overshoot on aversion and fear of risk.

  • "These are god-awful numbers. The economy is headed downhill and the brakes are not working. There are so many layoff announcements that it is hard to keep track of. Some businesses are cutting jobs in anticipation of tougher times. This is especially true for retail, manufacturing and finance, which accounts for the bulk of jobs in the country. They want to trim fats and stay lean and mean for the tough times ahead. Also, business spending will be a drag on the economy in the foreseeable future. –Sung Won Sohn, Smith School of Business and Economics"

  • In anticipation. The same point as above.

  • "A shockingly weak report that suggests the fourth quarter could see a drop in real GDP of 5% or more at an annual rate. The large downward revisions to employment in September and October suggest that the economy was even weaker than we thought when the credit crunch intensified (indeed the employment report for September, which now shows a larger than 400,000 decline in jobs, was surveyed in the week before Lehman Brothers failed).,, These data will spur the calls for a massive stimulus plan, increase the chances of a rescue package for the domestic auto industry. –RDQ Economics"

  • I'm sure that's correct. The jobs lost in the Auto Industry and its tributaries would make this number veer upward even more drastically.

  • "Jobs plummeted again in November with deep and widespread job losses. Much of this collapse in jobs was due to the collateral effects of the credit crunch which is only slowly being repaired. So far this year, 1.91k jobs have been lost with half of those jobs being lost in the past 3 months as the downward spiral has accelerated. The recession is intensifying and the economy is rapidly shrinking. –Stephen A. Wood, Insight Economics"

  • Intensifying And Rapidly Shrinking.

    "This was much worse than was expected and represents wholesale capitulation. The threat of a widespread depression is now real and present. –Peter Morici, University of Maryland "

    What we need to battle is this capitulation. It's a matter of attacking and overcoming the presuppositions and conclusions causing this capitulation by human beings in the face of this crisis.

    2 comments:

    Anonymous said...

    'I believe that this shedding of jobs is also an overreaction due to the overshoot on aversion and fear of risk."
    Maybe. But from what I have read, some 40% of GDP of the last 5 or 6 years was due to the FIRE (fiance, insurance, and real estate). It is hard for me to see all those real estate agents, brokers, and their offshoots, construction workers, getting a job at the same wages anytime soon. What you see when you look at GE or GM, is a whole economy dependent upon lent money, and profits apparently due solely to leverage. I hope unemployment doesn't go over 8%, but I think it will and stubbornly resist coming down. I see 1975 to 1981.

    Donald Pretari said...

    Fresno Dan, Hey, how are you doing? You will probably turn out to be correct, but, I tend to see the employment picture as Casey Mulligan does, and also agree with him about the shift from investment in these areas to others occurring. Check out his site.

    I'm going to base my projections on what will occur if the policies I believe in are followed. If they aren't, I'll certainly document that fact, as anyone can, since all my posts are just sitting there, since that's the point of my blog, which is really a kind of diary for me.

    So, let me be clear what I thought that I said: I agree that employment would be down, but I agreed with the comment about jobs being shed in anticipation. I'm saying that, looking at the fundamentals, some of these jobs are being shed more in panic than reason. That's it. However, those are real jobs, so I would have preferred that they remain. We're in a bad spot, but, for some reason, I see us coming out of this earlier than others do. Pray I'm right, even if the truth turns out differently.

    Go ahead and respond if you'd like, and take care yourself, Don

    Also, my whole approach is to focus on human actions.