Wednesday, December 3, 2008

"I suppose it makes sense to start thinking about funding it now, while Treasury rates are uncommonly low."

Felix Salmon shops 100 Year Bonds, and doesn't seem a buyer:

"Ah yes, Social Security. I remember that; I suppose it makes sense to start thinking about funding it now, while Treasury rates are uncommonly low.

That said, however, I'm not a fan of Fisher's idea. Have a look at David Merkel's list of US government obligations which trade very wide to Treasuries -- and note that the spreads involved are only getting wider. Anything which is illiquid, and anything which needs to be explained, trades at a significant discount. Any century bond would fall into that category -- especially if it had some weird amortizing structure where principal was paid down over the second 50 years."

Leave the spreads to me, and we'll deal with the details later.

"If Fisher had dealt with international rather than domestic finance, he would remember the Brady market, which was full of weird and wonderful sovereign debt instruments, foremost among them the Brazilian C bond. I once, for no particular reason, tried to find out exactly how the C bond was structured, and asked a bunch of people who actually traded it for a living. None of them could tell me. Unsurprisingly, Brazil's plain-vanilla global bonds traded at much tighter spreads than its Brady bonds, and a lot of investment banks made a lot of money in the late 1990s structuring swaps whereby Latin American countries issued new global bonds and bought back the Bradies which nobody wanted or understood."

Come now. How hard can this be? You just tried explaining Senior Tranches and you're worried about simple 100 year bonds?

"The Treasury market has no interest in trading anything clever -- that's one reason why TIPS are trading at such ridiculous levels right now. Investors in Treasuries know what they want, and that's large, liquid issues of bullet bonds at round-number maturities like 10 years. Even the 30-year long bond is out of favor these days."

That's because it's not long enough.

"In any case, Treasury has its hands full these days funding TARP, and whatever stimulus plan is going to be enacted sooner rather than later. Social Security may or may not be a problem in the long term, but it's relatively low on the list of priorities right now."

Hands full with TARP? I've just read the GAO report for the second time, and I can't figure out where their time goes. It certainly isn't spent in planning. I'm not asking them to write Finnegans Wake, just construct a few simple bonds. Perpetuals and 100 Year Bonds. I'll tell you what, they can e-mail me, and I'll write up the proposal for free. William Gross said he'll work for free ( Of course, he's got about a billion dollars more than I do ), and I will as well. Is that fair enough?

Here's my comment:

Posted: Dec 03 2008 3:30pm ET
I'm not having a good day. Last night, I went to bed, and dreamed about perpetuals and 100 year bonds. I'd really like perpetuals, but I'll take 100 years.

So, what do I find today. Two of my favorite blogs, yours and Alphaville, are stabbing be in the back to my face, and, I'll tell, that's not a comfortable position to be in.

So, get on board and start talking these things up. I'm not much of an investor, but I really love the idea of bonds that are a bet on how long I'll live. That's right, I plan on being around to turn these bonds in myself. Even the perpetuals.

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