Wednesday, December 10, 2008

"Which would imply that it has limited usefulness as an indicator of future stock-market direction."

Felix Salmon with a take on Napier on Bloomberg:

"Remember Pimco's graph of Q showing it around the 0.3 level? I wasn't sure where that number came from, and now CLSA's Russell Napier has come out with a slightly more realistic (to me) number -- which is also a lot more bearish.

The Q ratio on U.S. equities has dropped to 0.7 from a peak of 2.9 in 1999, and reaching 0.3 has always signaled the end of a bear market, said Napier, 44, the author of "Anatomy of the Bear," a study of how business cycles change course.

Napier reckons that Q will go all the way down to 0.3, which would correspond to the S&P 500 trading at around 400. Yikes. All the same, if you're willing to stomach a possible drop to 400, the absolute value of Q is already significantly below 1, which is one indicator that stocks are cheap -- even if they are getting cheaper.

On the other hand, Q will naturally decline over time even if stocks are flat, as the denominator grows -- as it's bound to do if the government starts injecting large sums into corporate America. Indeed, I believe that Q was falling through much of the 2002-07 bull market. Which would imply that it has limited usefulness as an indicator of future stock-market direction."

Here's our Q chart again:


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Tobin's q chart June 10, 2008Here's an S & P 500 Chart:

899.24 Up+10.57 +1.19%
Open: 892.17 High: 908.27 Low: 885.45
Previous Close: 888.67 Volume: unch
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There's not a lot of correlation here, that's for sure. However, someone might be able to give an interesting explanation for the divergence.

Here's my comment:

Posted: Dec 10 2008 5:54pm ET
His argument seems to be based on the correlation between a very low Q and high inflation between 72 and 81. He's arguing that quantitative easing will lead to high inflation, a capital flight from the US, a very low Q, and falling stock prices.

But as you say, Q has been trending down lately in any case. In other words, Napier has made assumptions about the correlation between Q and stock prices, and Q and possible inflation, that might not be so closely correlated in fact.

That's why he ends saying this:

“For those who are worried about losing much of their investment almost overnight, very clearly you’d want to wait for those signals to give a much stronger case,” he said. “The bear market will have “a painful resolution, it’s just a question of how painful, over what period of time and for what parties.”

There are a number of qualifiers, of a sort, in that quote.

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