Thursday, January 29, 2009

but at least take seriously the idea that the problem can be solved without a huge up-front transfer of government money to the banking sector.

Felix Salmon:

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Where's the Nationalization Debate?
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There's a lot of words but less actual news in the NYT's big report today on Tim Geithner and his plan for the US banking system. But one thing does interest me, given the extent to which Warren has been demonized by bank shareholders: financial stocks surged yesterday on the same day as the above photo was taken, with Geithner and Warren looking very friendly indeed.

I do like this quote from Chuck Schumer, which I think sums up the debate quite well:

"None of the solutions are very easy," Mr. Schumer said. "All of these proposals sound very appealing until you start to examine them in detail. And then you find that all of them have problems. The good bank-bad bank idea -- the problem, first and foremost, is how do you value the assets? No one knows how to do that."

But the nationalization idea still seems to be stillborn:

[Geithner] discouraged speculation that the plan would include the nationalization of some banks.
"We have a financial system that is run by private shareholders, managed by private institutions, and we'd like to do our best to preserve that system," he said.

Such sentiments will certainly make Jamie Dimon happy:

"JPMorgan would be fine if we stopped talking about (the) damn nationalisation of banks ... we've got plenty of capital," Jamie Dimon said, at the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

Sorry, Jamie, but I'm going to keep on talking about it, just because it solves at a stroke the problem of valuing the bad assets that the government is thinking of buying at an absolutely astonishing cost of $3-4 trillion. It would also help address Larry Summers's concern:

Mr. Summers privately expressed concern last week that spending too much to buy bad assets could cripple the dollar, according to a person who spoke with him.

This is a real concern. If you give the banks trillions of cash dollars in exchange for their toxic assets, there's simply no way of forcing them to keep that money in the USA. Even if they lend it only to US companies -- which is improbable -- those companies will surely take advantage of the strong dollar to buy cheap imports.

Nationalization, by contrast, doesn't involve monetizing bad assets, which means it poses much less of a risk to the dollar. I'm glad that Geithner isn't in a mad rush to decide what to do, but I'm less happy that some kind of bad-bank solution seems to be a foregone conclusion at this point, while nationalization has not been properly debated. If you don't want to call it nationalization, fine -- but at least take seriously the idea that the problem can be solved without a huge up-front transfer of government money to the banking sector."

Your humble poster:

Yes. Apparently we'll spare no expense to keep these moronic bankers in place and avoid nationalization. The bankers are a part of the problem for everyone but the bankers and their stocks. They ooze collusion and incompetence. Please see the following about trust in bankers( I love this approach to Economics ):

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/28/trust-troubles/

When the TARP shifted gears, and it looked like the government wouldn't buy the toxic assets, the price on them fell dramatically. As soon as they get back in, the price will magically go up. As David Friedman showed months ago, this transaction is actually a way of shifting losses. That's the only way that it can help the banks. They need to be overpaid. They need to shift some of the losses to the taxpayer. Those losses will be real.

Now we have S.Johnson, who should be on our side, saying that we can neuter the banking lobby now that we have President Obama. I praise God everyday for this transition, but the banking lobby wins if they remain in their jobs and in control. As Bagehot says, the terms of the bailout need to be onerous. In our system, the banking lobby wins if they remain in place. Then the bailout appears as insurance bought by their lobbying. I understand that is our system, but, as I say, if you're going to piss on me, at least don't tell me it's raining. It matters to how quickly and in what manner I wash myself off.

The idea, after the current TARP, that a hybrid approach is cost effective and easy to get out of defies belief. We need to take the bad banks over, put in place people unable to cause a systemic crisis through mendacity and stupidity, and spit the monstrosity back into the private sector as soon as possible. By the way, the idea that we'll end up nationalizing even piggy banks eventually is hilarious. These tottering banks are solvent only with government guarantees. If they could stand on their own, they'd be like Barclay's.

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