Saturday, January 31, 2009

The game changer: George Soros joins the CDS demonizers, but adds some substance to their arguments.

From Felix Salmon:

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Extra Credit, Friday Edition

The game changer: George Soros joins the CDS demonizers, but adds some substance to their arguments.

Nouriel Roubini Partying With Intellectual Peers: Where's Julia Allison's high-tech name badge? Maybe her cleavage suffices.

Ben Stein to Deliver Commencement Address: At the University of Vermont. I wonder how that's going down with the faculty, especially the ones who teach evolution.

Deep Market Thoughts…CNBC MUST be Stopped to end this Bear Market! Lindzon: "The loudest, most broken funnel of noise and misinformation is CNBC... CNBC is a cancer in this country."

Here's me:

I don't understand why you think that Soros added anything but incorrect arguments. I'll post this post from Economics Of Contempt and my response:

http://economicsofcontempt.blogspot.com/2009/01/soros-is-wrong.html

"Soros is wrong
Unless I'm misreading him, George Soros is just plain wrong about this:

Going short on bonds by buying a CDS contract carries limited risk but unlimited profit potential; by contrast, selling credit default swaps offers limited profits but practically unlimited risks.

Umm, no. Protection buyers' profit is limited to the notional amount insured. Similarly, protection sellers' risk is also limited to the notional amount insured. "

Don said...

The whole post is off. He claims the following:

"Putting these three considerations together leads to the conclusion that Lehman, AIG and other financial institutions were destroyed by bear raids in which the shorting of stocks and buying of CDS amplified and reinforced each other."

My understanding is that we are in Debt-Deflation. A Calling Run. The run started when there was a foreclosure tsunami based on fraudulent and poor loans. At that point, anyone who had the ability to call cash from the owner's of these loans started doing so, since it wasn't clear how many foreclosures there would be nor how low home prices would fall. CDSs and CDOs were only some of the investments effected. As for AIG, at the point of this tsunami, they were downgraded, and needed to get capital. The only way to do this would be to sell assets for huge losses, which they didn't want do. In essence, they came to the government for a bridge loan. That's what Liddy said in November.
I don't see shorting as the problem. It was an actual Calling Run based on the mortgages. What am I missing?

Don the libertarian Democrat
I'd say more, but then he says what I said:

"The bursting of bubbles causes credit contraction, the forced liquidation of assets, deflation and wealth destruction.."

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