Monday, January 12, 2009

"I suspect that most people think both the Recession and Unemployment are worse now"

The Big Picture with two good posts about the history of the Unemployment Rate:

"Here’s the worst case scenario of the U6 Unemployment Rate, as noted in this Reuters article, Great Depression jobs parallel may not be far flung. I disagree with the article, and believe we are nowhere near depression levels of unemployment.

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The series by John Williams’ Shadow Stats folds back all of the workers who have left the Labor Pool. We do not know how many are actual workers and how many have simply left the labor pool, so that 17.5% number probably skews high.( TRUE )

While I believe the 7.2% unemployment rate is laughably inaccurate, I do not think we are at 17.5% either . . .( I AGREE. BUT, AGAIN, GOVERNMENT NUMBERS ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST NUMBERS. THEY ARE JUST THE NUMBERS THAT THE GOVERNMENT FINDS MOST USEFUL, FOR WHATEVER REASONS, IF ANY. )

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Hat tip Paul

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Source:
Great Depression jobs parallel may not be far flung
Pedro Nicolaci da Costa Reuters
Jan 8, 2009 9:37pm EST
http://www.reuters."

Now, the second post:

"Is the economy better or worse than it was in the early 70s? How about early 80s? What about Unemployment?( ALL BETTER NOW )

I suspect that most people think both the Recession and Unemployment are worse now than it was during either of those prior periods. ( I DISAGREE )

If that is the case, than what are we to make of the following chart below? It shows Unemployment peaking (after) the ‘74 recession at ~9%, and unemployment peaking (after) the ‘82 recession at 11%. Here we are 12 months into this recession, with Unemployment just over 7%.

I can think of several explanations for this anomaly: 1) The data is off( TRUE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE. ); 2) this recession is not as bad as those were( MY VIEW ); 3) structural changes in the economy mean less layoffs( MY VIEW ); 4) demographics are impacting people leaving the labor force, helping to keep UR lower( TRUE. A CASEY MULLIGAN POINT. ); 5) we have a lot further to run in terms of job losses( I HOPE NOT. ). Perhaps some combination of all 5 of these factors are involved. ( CORRECT )

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click for ginormous chart

via economagic"

As you know, I believe that the economics of a given era are impacted by the context of the era. We are much better off today than in the past.

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