From Felix Salmon:
"Extra Credit, Monday Morning Edition Why stimulus spending should go to public art
Bailouts for Bunglers: Paul Krugman on why the government should nationalize.
Hazardous Materials? Jim Surowiecki on overblown moral-hazard concerns.
OpenTable files for IPO, finally: And it might actually make sense, even in this market.
Me:
“We have a financial system that is run by private shareholders, managed by private institutions, and we’d like to do our best to preserve that system,” says Timothy Geithner, the Treasury secretary — as he prepares to put taxpayers on the hook for that system’s immense losses."
Can someone explain to him that we have a Hybrid System, which is our version of a Welfare State. Banks and the Investor Class lobby continually for largess from the government. They couldn't compete in a free market any more than I could compete in a marathon.
The reactions since Lehman can be seen as "Where the hell is the government. Pick us up. We've no Plan B".
Please read this post to understand how much government influences our system:
http://www.petersoninstitute.org/publications/interstitial.cfm?ResearchID=1096
Did Reagan Rule In Vain? A Closer Look at True Expenditure Levels in the United States and Europe
by Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, Peterson Institute for International Economics
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DonthelibertarianDemocrat Posted: Feb 02 2009 10:10am ET
Fair enough. Here's my version of Bagehot:
"Bagehot's Principles":
1) If the Fed exists, it will be the Lender Of Last resort, and that has to be taken in to account in real world Political Economy. It should lend freely in a crisis to solvent banks.
2) The rules for LOLR( from here on down this includes any government guarantee ) intervention should be clear, public, and followed, otherwise Moral Hazard is ineffective. All guarantees must be explicit.
3) The terms must be onerous.
4) The LOLR should get something valuable in return.
Here are a few others:
5) The taxpayer's interests should come first.
6) Moral Hazard needs to be constantly applied by quickly liquidating problem banks in normal times.
7) Any entity receiving a guarantee will have to be supervised or regulated effectively, and violations should be quickly and severely punished.
8) There is no doubt that any entity receiving a LOLR guarantee will need to be more conservative in its practices in order to limit the liability of the taxpayer.
9) There should be a class of financial concerns that can act more freely, but they should not receive LOLR guarantees. They will be strictly supervised or regulated though, and are subject to laws against fraud, etc."
Read W. Bagehot " Lombard Street" here:
http://bagehot.classicauthors.net/LOMBARDSTREET/LOMBARDSTREET9.html
For my reasoning on Lehman, you'll also need this:
Read Irving Fisher's "The Debt-Deflation Theory Of Great Depressions" here:
http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/meltzer/fisdeb33.pdf
In both cases I've added my own opinions. See here as well; Comments appreciated:
http://don-thelibertariandemocrat.blogspot.com/2008/12/thats-just-sort-of-thing-that-troubled.html
Finally:
"Samuel Johnson's Dictum":
One thing about passing fifty years of age is that I now feel old enough to invoke what I call Samuel Johnson's Dictum. It is thus: If I invoke a view based on an author that I read in the past, and that view is not actually held by that author, I'm more than willing to claim the view as originating with me. The beauty of this Dictum is that it is self-referential. It is based upon my reading of Johnson and on Boswell, but I can't remember the actual references that led me to believe that Johnson believed something like this. In any case, I do.
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DonthelibertarianDemocrat Posted: Feb 02 2009 3:07pm ET
"This being so, there is nothing for it but to make the best of our banking system, and to work it in the best way that it is capable of. We can only use palliatives, and the point is to get the best palliative we can. I have endeavoured to show why it seems to me that the palliatives which I have suggested are the best that are at our disposal."
I didn't say that I hadn't read it recently. What I'm trying to do is exactly what he did. I gave you what I took from him, including a few essays, in my principles 1 - 4. I then added some of my own. I distilled, from a book about a different era and a different country, some lessons for banking in the US today. What's wrong with that? I began by saying The Fed. I don't have any problem with your differing with me. That text is on my blog. I look at it all the time.If you look at the section of the Government of the B of E, you will draw your own lessons on how it applies to us. In the same way, I look at Fisher's paper. I take a much more behavioral approach than he did. So what? It's still the inspiration for my own theories. I also referred you to a debate between Selgin and Grant, giving differing views of Bagehot's worth today. If they can interpret him, why can't I? You will also see my version of Graham's investing rules. It's not him exactly, but it's close.
In the end, I'm not even sure what you're objecting to. The point about Lehman had to do with the capriciousness of applying moral hazard. Are you saying that Bagehot had no views on this? If you don't believe me, read Selgin. He's an expert on Bagehot.
As to why I believe that Lehman should be saved, it has to do with Fisher's theory. Once a Calling Run begins, it is hellish to stop. In our circumstances, in which we didn't follow Bagehot's Principles, we didn't have much choice. If you differ, fine.
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DonthelibertarianDemocrat Response to ccm Feb 02 2009 8:27pm ET
I didn't say that he would have supported Lehman. I said that he warned that, in order for moral hazard to work, it had to be explicit and consistently applied. Do you remember Bear Stearns? What happened there? The arbitrary application of moral hazard won't work. That's the point. The point is about moral hazard and the consistency of applying it. I said that, having set a precedent, applying moral hazard, on a whim, would scare the markets, since there was no way to discern who would receive help and who wouldn't. Uncertainty terrifies markets. That's what we're experiencing now. Gross uncertainty. That's my Bagehot rule 2.
"I agree about Lehman, but not about moral hazard. It's very important. However, it must be swift, explicitly expected, principled, and onerous. We've had none of these.( THIS LAST PART IS WHAT I'M ARGUING BAGEHOT BELIEVED )So I'm agreeing with Bagehot in principle.
Why do I violate Bagehot? As I said, I agree about moral hazard, but I'm making an exception. I think that is what Bagehot argued in LS. He didn't like some of what he recommended, but he felt that he had to practically. That's exactly what I'm doing with Lehman.
Why? That's very complicated. I probably have a hundred posts on it on my blog. So as not to bore you, I'm just giving you the essence of my opinion. On the Sunday before Lehman fell, there was a special trading session. At that session, many believed that, if Lehman fell, Merrill would as well. This could start a Calling Run. It is similar to a banking run, but not the same. What I'm describing is Fisher's Debt-Deflation. All I can tell you is that, in order to stop a Calling Run, I believe that you need an explicit government guarantee, because only the government has the resources to stop it. Going forward, I do believe that actually following Bagehot's Principle's could stop this. But the moral hazard must be applied from the start. My view.
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