Saturday, November 1, 2008

"I am more inclined to think that consumers need to cut their spending now."

Tyler Cowen makes an excellent cautionary point about spending and debt:

"Krugman then calls for fiscal stimulus, as has Martin Feldstein. I am more inclined to think that consumers need to cut their spending now. It is widely understood that consumers have been living beyond their means. Let us say instead that consumers maintain their spending (say through fiscal stimulus, a cut in sales taxes, or sheer exhortation) but that everyone knows consumer spending will fall in three years time. In three years time, the "liquidity trap" (not exactly how I think of it) will be over, but in the meantime investment commitments will be lackluster, given that people will be waiting for the economy to digest the forthcoming change. Maybe we need to spend less now and get the adjustment over with more quickly, even though that will be painful.

I view the goal as hurrying up needed sectoral adjustments and minimizing unneeded or temporary sectoral adjustments. That suggests any "stimulus" funds, whatever their magnitude, should go to preserving expenditure patterns of state and local governments. Such an allocation also ensures that the money will be spent, if indeed that is the goal. Greg Mankiw offers a related idea."

Here's my comment:

From the WSJ yesterday about the personal savings rate going up:

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/10/31/good-news-for-stability-bad-news-for-growth/

"It’s a bit early to say so, but the American consumer may have finally learned a lesson and is moving toward a more sustainable level of spending. However much this move may benefit individuals, it could prove difficult for the economy.

“Hopefully, this will be a measured, longer-term move which, while painful in many ways, would not be as disruptive as a complete collapse in spending that is maintained for several quarters,” said Shapiro. “Time will tell which it will be, but there seems no escaping the fact that the U.S. consumer will not be the world’s engine of growth for many years to come.” –Phil Izzo

I am for a stimulus targeted to infrastructure, since we had a tax rebate already and the lower price of fuel can be seen as a stimulus. I would also like the infrastructure stimulus to try and target areas with high unemployment. Other benefits, such as UI, I see as simply what we need to do in a recession.

However, since we are in a downturn and the savings rate is going up, I'm not for announcing a tax increase in the near future as Japan is considering, or going on a moral crusade against debt right now. I like the phrase "measured, longer-term move". We could still be underestimating the downturn, so the adjustment needs to be calibrated.

Posted by: Don the libertarian Democrat at Nov 1, 2008 11:33:28 AM

This post further expands on my response to Clive Crook, where I might have come off as favoring a tax rebate, which I do not. Just not blaring anti-spending messages.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

From Europe, we think that U.S. should start to stop thinking in spending always money and start saving it to invest later on. U.S. is borrowing from abroad and from future generations in an attitude worser than a developing country. Should they need revenue to finance further public spending to keep economy alive maybe they could think in a Tobin Tax to avoid financial mess. Moreover some savings could also come from the defense budget to be invested in more productive sectors as Krugman and other suggest.

Donald Pretari said...

You are correct about the long term. However, in the short term, we're worried about the depth of the recession, in which cutting spending at home too much will only lead to the government borrowing more. We're trying to avoid a downward spiral of job loss, declining revenue, higher spending, more businesses closing, no credit, etc.

By a Tobin tax, do you mean a tax on investments?

In any case, I agree with your point.

Here's my view of the Defense budget:

http://don-thelibertariandemocrat.blogspot.com/2008/10/republican-reaction-danger-war.html

Here's my current view, always subject to how I feel on any given day:

http://don-thelibertariandemocrat.blogspot.com/2008/11/over-at-intrade-you-can-bet-on-future.html

Thanks for the comment. Take care, Don

Anonymous said...

My recommendation implicitly requires to cut private consumption and increase private saving so that an eventual public spending is funded domestically and is not crowding out private investments. We should not forget the twin deficits, including U.S. external debt. Krugman's government spending needs resources, including reallocation among budget chapters (for instance invest in energy sector instead of defense). I still contend that U.S. should, with other countries, revamp a kind of Tobin Tax not only on currencies but on some financial transactions, derivatives, etc. This kind of tax will help efficient allocation of resources, thus stabilizing the financial sector and increasing government revenues to be used for public spending.