Thursday, October 30, 2008

" The irony is that Japanese regulators were once hugely protective of retail investors"

Yves Smith on Naked Capitalism about PRDC's in Japan:

"This Times Online story is frustratingly vague about the exact nature of these complicated and risky foreign exchange products sold to Japanese retail investors. While the size of the problem ($90 billion) may seem not all that bad in comparison, say, to subprime exposures, recall that these trades are likely to be unwound in a compressed period of time when currency markets are already volatile, thus increasing the potential for havoc.

The irony is that Japanese regulators were once hugely protective of retail investors and placed tough restrictions on what products could be sold to them. That attitude clearly went out the window.

From the Times Online:"

Please read the story. Here are my posts, with Yves thrown in:

Don said...

See John Gapper on FT here:

http://blogs.ft.com/gapperblog/2008/10/mrs-watanabe-and-the-sudden-rise-of-the-yen/


"The accounts showed that it was common for Japanese retail investors to be offered leverage of 20 times or more for their cash. In other words, they could deposit the equivalent of $1,000 and take trading positions of $20,000. A lot of them had used the opportunity to buy higher-yielding foreign assets.

The trade worked fine for Japanese investors as long as currencies remained stable and they could in effect switch yen into higher-yielding assets denominated in other currencies. But the sharp rise in the yen - and comparative fall in the value of these foreign assets - is probably landing Mrs Watanabe and her friends with big losses.

Here, to expand the point, is a prescient piece from FT Alphaville a year ago."

Don the libertarian Democrat

And:

Don said...

"The important thing to know about Mrs Watanabe is that, temporarily at least, she has all but stopped flapping her wings"

Who is Mrs. Watanabe?

"Mrs Watanabe is crude shorthand for Japan’s $15,000bn pool of savings, the deepest in the world and worth more than the annual economic output of the US. These vast resources are somewhat apocryphally marshalled by Japanese women, who have traditionally held a firm grip on family finances."

Let's see:

1) Rising yen
2) Lower interest rates
3) Next bubble

David Pilling in the FT:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0df30044-a5f4-11dd-9d26-000077b07658.html

"The yen carry trade has not been the only cheap source of liquidity in recent years. But Ashraf Laidi, chief currency strategist at CMC Markets, reckons it has been the biggest. He quotes figures suggesting that Japanese households alone, discounting savings mediated through life assurers and other institutions, have mobilised $500bn in outbound funds. That leaves aside speculators, who have borrowed unknowable amounts of yen to invest abroad, often on highly leveraged terms.

Just as state bank bail-outs risk moral hazard, more recklessness and the need for future bail-outs, so the unwinding of the carry trade carries with it the danger of the next great bubble. In Japan, the central bank appears to have reacted to a rising yen and sinking stock market by contemplating the uncontemplatable: a rate cut. Even the rumour of such has provoked a mini equity rally and a weakening of the currency.

This is poison for the BoJ. It hated having to keep rates low, fearing that cheap money can cause bubbles in real estate, in capital investment and in the carry trade. Its sightings of inflationary danger everywhere provoked mirth among outside experts. But few are laughing now."

And so:
"If Japan really is about to reverse course towards zero interest rates, it will once again become the source of almost free money for anyone with an appetite to invest. Worse even than that, says Mr Laidi, is the potential for an even more dangerous dollar carry trade. The Federal Reserve has been desperately cutting rates, and lopped another half point off again on Wednesday. The nearer US interest rates approach zero, the greater the incentive to move dollars into higher-yielding assets elsewhere.

These gyrations do nothing to solve the underlying problem, which is that Asia has an excess of savers and the US and Europe an excess of spenders. Unless that is solved, the world seems condemned to repeat the swings of recent years, as capital is arbitraged between countries where money is cheap to those where it is expensive."

Problems:

1) Dollar carry trade

2) Asia saves, the West spends

3) Here we go again

Is this real?

Don the libertarian Democrat

And:

Don said...

Following an earlier comment about Japan, if you have domestically:
1)Low interest rates
2)Stagnant stock market
3)Stable exchange rate
4)Low inflation
Doesn't it make sense that you would try and invest overseas? And after the tech bubble, doesn't it make sense that you would look for bonds that would provide you higher yields?
Naturally, if any of these variable change significantly, you could be in trouble. So when the story says:
"The products combine exposure to foreign exchange, interest rate differentials and domestic inflation"
it's not saying anything profound.
And when we read this:
"The PRDC's complexity disguised from the buyers the fact that they were taking on the same big foreign exchange risks as the regular carry trade but with additional exposure to global interest rate volatility."
it's a little hard to credit, since I just described the investment's worth and problems in a few short lines?

Don the libertarian Democrat

And Yves:

Yves Smith said...

Don,

The shortcoming in the list above is 'stable currency". In a world of floating currencies (or mainly floating, and Japan was not one of the ones maintaining a dollar peg) the FX risk is huge, although for extended period (perhaps up to a couple of years with not too much movement) it can look low.

And if you read the stories on Japanese retail currency traders, they were as frenetic last year as day traders in the tech bubble here.

The yen was in fact cheap, so the risk was that despite the pickup in yield, you would lose far more due to a fall in the higher-yielding currency. When I was a kid, no one would EVER think of making deposits in higher-yielding currencies, everyone understood that the high yield was a big big signal that a price fall was in the cards.

And me again ( the dummy ):

Don said...

Yves, Thanks. Great point. I was just about to mention these PRDC's on a post about securitization. I think that you make my case, and that we're both on the same page.

I agree that the assumptions seem crazy, my only point was that you would have thought the risks you just rightly pointed out should be easily explainable, even if the products inner workings are complex. From your comments, I was trying to understand how even you were having a hard time with them, and I now see that it's the risk as much as the complexity. I hope I've understood you now, and that my point is clearer.

Don the libertarian Democrat

PS Your blog is great. I'm learning so much from it, but I won't blame my mistakes on you. Take care

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