Thursday, October 23, 2008

A Continuation Of The Controversy

More about the debate concerning the Minnesota Fed paper. Enter Arnold Kling:

"For example, many economists breathlessly cited high short-term interest rates in interbank lending markets as an indicator of credit markets "freezing up." However, as some Minneapolis Fed economists point out, the volume of lending does not indicate such a freeze. In fact, very short-term interest rates are a ridiculously melodramatic indicator to use, because even a small increase in default probability can cause the annualized interest rates to soar. (Thanks to Alex Tabarrok for the pointer to this article.)

Where are the stories of businesses canceling projects because of lack of funding? Yes, I am sure that there are homebuilders who want to do their part to contribute to the excess of housing stock and are being told to get lost by banks, but are there economically sensible projects being canceled?"

Mark Thoma replied:

OHSU already is feeling the pain of the credit crunch, paying interest rates as high as 13 percent on some of the $240 million in variable-rate bonds that it issued to pay for past projects. Investor appetite for so-called auction-rate bonds has collapsed in the current credit crunch, triggering painful rate increases for many borrowers, regardless of their creditworthiness. OHSU would like to refinance those bonds but has few attractive options in the current market.

Alex Tabarrok on Marginal Utility replies:

"Contra Tyler (see below) neither the post from Free Exchange nor Mark Thoma's comments "rebutting" the Minn. Fed study, Four Myths About the Financial Crisis of 2008, are compelling or well thought out. The Minn. Fed. presented data demonstrating that four widely reported claims about the credit crisis panic are myths - do either of the cited links claim that any of these myths are in fact true? No. Do either of the cited links present any data at all on the quantity of credit? No. Many people cite prices/rates/spreads as evidence for the crisis but what we ultimately care about is quantity not price. The Fed. piece had lots of data on the quantity of credit. Where is the rebuttal? Does Tyler cite any data at all or lay out his counter-claims? No."

Since it's now tied, I wrote this:

I'm not so sure that there is a great difference here. If I read this graph correctly:

http://economistsview.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/22/loansleases.gif

the trend remained level or slightly increased, which everyone agrees happened because of intervention from the Fed.

As to going forward, everyone seems to believe that lending could decrease because of:

1) Lack of funds: Because of credit crisis
2) Lack of demand: Because of the recession
3) Lenders being shell-shocked: Because they're human

There might well not be a great decrease, or other reasons for a decrease, but sorting them out would seem to be complicated.

Anyway, you, Thoma, Kling, Mulligan, Salmon, and Cowen are all favorites of mine, and know a hell of a lot more than me, so I'll wait to read more from all of you.

Posted by: Don the libertarian Democrat at Oct 23, 2008 1:29:59 PM

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