Friday, October 24, 2008

I'm called a moron

I spent so much time on this post on the NY Times, that I have to print it in full, at least my parts. The part I'm not printing calls me a moron. Thanks to the NY Times for posting these comments. Here's the story:

"Only a week after the government announced $250 billion in capital for banks, some investors are getting creative in their suggestions on who should qualify.

David Bullock, managing director of Advent Capital Management, wrote a letter to the chief financial officer of GMAC on Tuesday, suggesting that the former General Motors financing arm turn itself into a bank holding company so that it can grab some of the cash.

Here's my side. I didn't include others because they might not think it fair:

“Only a week after the government announced $250 billion in capital for banks, some investors are getting creative in their suggestions on who should qualify.

David Bullock, a hedge fund manager in New York, wrote a letter to the chief financial officer of GMAC on Tuesday, suggesting that the former General Motors financing arm turn itself into a bank holding company so that it can grab some of the cash.”

Come on ! How onerous can the terms of TARP be that people who don’t need it are starting to line up to receive it? What more proof do we need that the government negotiated a terrible deal for the taxpayer?

The next thing we know, Google and Apple will be turning themselves into banks. Can I have myself declared to be a bank?

— Posted by Don the libertarian Democrat

I'm called a moron:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=af_ 0Q5cR78q4&refer=home

Steve, This is the story that I had in my own library which I reread. You are right that I was insensitive to the employees of Rescap. However, I was focusing on GMAC. My opinion of them is based on the feeling I got from the story I referred to that they were capable of handling their own problems, but thought that TARP would be a good deal to get into. It is true that I might be misjudging their plight.This is informed by my belief that the government should have gotten much better terms for inclusion in TARP, and that once the terms were announced, people would find them more appealing than originally expected, and figure ways to take part. The earlier story, from a month ago, seems to confirm to me that people were already trying to water down TARP in order to be included, and were succeeding. You might think that is a good thing, but I do not. I’ve no doubt that many people in the financial community are suffering, but, you now what, there are a lot of us who are suffering and get no bailout or help of any kind.

Finally, if I still seem unfair, this quote from the earlier story is the one that really bothered me:

“At this point, anybody who is buying that debt is betting on a bailout, not on anything else,'’ said Julian Mann, a mortgage- and asset-backed bond manager at First Pacific Advisors LLC in Los Angeles, which oversees $10.5 billion.

I believe that many were betting on a bailout, and, as opposed to you, I’m not happy that the government is doing it. I’m sorry so many people are distressed in this crisis, but I’m sorrier for the people who are going to pay for it who had nothing to do with it.

Finally, again, if I’ve offended anyone from GMAC, and I turn out to be wrong about them, I will owe them an apology.

— Posted by Don the libertarian Democrat

It occurs to me that Randy and Steve actually believe that I was comparing GMAC with Google and Apple. I was not. The point I was trying to make was that within weeks of being passed, people were trying to extend who could qualify under TARP. Apple and Google were just an absurd extension of that concept, and had nothing to do with GMAC.

— Posted by Don the libertarian Democrat

Maybe people missed this in the Bloomberg story:

“In June, GMAC arranged more than $60 billion of new and refinanced credit after rising foreclosures left ResCap on the brink of bankruptcy. Since then, Standard & Poor’s lowered GMAC’s credit rating and Moody’s Investors Service cut ResCap’s rating on cash concerns. ”

Now, I was suggesting that it might be harder now, but that once TARP had been announced, all such attempts ended, and they focused on TARP. As to GMAC being a bank, that’s a separate issue. The point is that the bill was sold as a credit stimulus plan, open to certain people: remember Paulson talking about the money being deployed, and was now turning into something else, which some people might favor, but I don’t, and I especially don’t like bait and switch with the taxpayer’s money. By the way, many respected people believe that we should actually be focusing on the foreclosure problem. Remember this quote:

“At this point, anybody who is buying that debt is betting on a bailout, not on anything else,’’ said Julian Mann, a mortgage- and asset-backed bond manager at First Pacific Advisors LLC in Los Angeles, which oversees $10.5 billion.”

I’m sorry, but I don’t approve of people investing based on a government bailout. Apparently some people do. If you like TARP, fine, but I don’t, and I expect it at least to conform to the conditions it was passed under. That’s my point.

— Posted by Don the libertarian Democrat

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